Talk:Jo Ann Jenkins

Proposed update to bring the article out of stub
Hello. Jo Ann Jenkins is the CEO of my employer (AARP). Therefore I have a conflict of interest and will not edit this article directly. Instead, I'd like to propose a change:


 * This article is currently a stub. It consists of six sentences that state a few of the recent places the subject of the article worked, and where she went to school. It cites just two sources. Aside from listing a few facts about this person, the article does not actually describe why she is notable, or what she did at the various places she has worked.
 * I have written up a draft at User:JeffreyArthurVA/sandbox3 that attempts to bring this article up to Wikipedia's standards and out of its current stub status. More context around what this individual did to make her notable, plus a stronger range of sources to ensure what is written is verifiable.

Could an uninvolved editor review the draft and, if you feel it is an improvement that brings this better in line with Wikipedia's standards, implement it into mainspace?

(of note: the draft does not contain an infobox photo, since photos can't be used in user drafts. If you update the live article, you could keep the existing photo that is already there)

Regards, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply to edit request 22-OCT-2018
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. To other reviewers: For your convenience, a diff of the changes requested by the COI editor's submitted proposal may be viewed here.  Spintendo   19:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi @Spintendo, and thank you for such detailed feedback. To summarize the feedback it seems that A) some proposed material is not sufficiently sourced or the provided source does not sufficiently validate the text in the draft; B) some phrasing has been deemed too promotional, and C) some material may not meet guidelines/norms for inclusion in a BLP.
 * I'd like the opportunity to work with you to address these by proposing new text that answers your concerns. I can correct sources in the draft, remove text where necessary, rephrase as appropriate, etc. Would you recommend that I reply with thoughts now, or is it likely that others will weigh in? Regards, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Articles which help to increase knowledge and awareness of the roles that women leaders such as Ms. Jenkins play in the worlds of business and public policy are a great benefit to Wikipedia. Please feel free to submit as little or as many changes as you'd like on this talk page, taking care to ensure that any requested changes to the article are pertinent to the subject at hand and not overly promotional, whilst being referenced by reliable, secondary sources which are independent of the subject. Thank you!  Spintendo   17:37, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

First sentence - simple edit request
As an AARP employee, I have a conflict of interest and will not edit this article directly. Could someone help change the first sentence of this Jo Ann Jenkins article for accuracy purposes?

The first sentence currently reads as: Jo Ann Jenkins is the current CEO of the 37-million membership-based and interest group, AARP, (American Association of Retired Persons), She is the first permanent female chief executive in the organization’s history.

It should ideally read as: Jo Ann Jenkins is the CEO of the 38-million membership-based interest group AARP.

Reasoning:
 * Updated the number of members 38 million members, which is current as of December 2018. If a source is needed on this statistic, here is a New York Times article that notes the number 38 million.
 * Removed "(American Association of Retired Persons)" as AARP has been called simply AARP since the late 1990s. Similar to how the Wikipedia article about Tim Cook describes him as the CEO of Apple, Inc. (and not Apple Computer, Inc.--that company's former name), this article about Jo Ann Jenkins should describe her as the CEO of AARP and not its former name.
 * Removed second part of the sentence, as she is not the first permanent female chief executive. That designation would belong to Ethel Percy Andrus, the (female) founder of AARP.

Thank you, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply 18-DEC-2018

 * 1) ✅ The change to how AARP was referred to was made.
 * 2) ✅ The claim regarding past female leaders of AARP which overlooked Ethel Andrus was omitted.
 * 3) ❌ The organization's membership census numbers are not germane to the article and were omitted.

Regards,  Spintendo   19:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The claim regarding the degree obtained at Spring Hill College was omitted, as the provided source does not confirm this.
 * 2) The claims regarding the subject's honorary doctorate and her completion of Stanford's Graduate School of Business were also omitted, as they were unreferenced.

Updating Early Life and Education
@User:Spintendo, in the conversation above, you mentioned that sources were needed to verify that Jo Ann Jenkins earned two Honorary Doctorate degrees and graduated from the Stanford Executive Program.

I've located sources for these three items, and have written them up in this draft here: User:JeffreyArthurVA/sandbox4. In this draft, I've also added a source to the first paragraph and made a minor update to the language to reflect that Jo Ann served as President of AARP Foundation from 2010 - 2013.

Could you review this draft and implement it if you feel it meets Wikipedia's requirements?

Regards, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 18:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Reply 22-JAN-2019
Regards,  Spintendo   23:08, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ Work at the foundation added.
 * 2) ❌ The subject's graduation from high school and her undergraduate degree aren't typically added to BLP articles.
 * 3) ❌ It's not entirely clear what is meant by saying that the subject "completed" the SEP.
 * 4) ❌ When compared to traditional degrees that a student must work for and show good grades in to attain, Honorary degrees are accomplishments of little substantive value.
 * Thank you, @User:Spintendo. Appreciate your time and detailed reply again.
 * The point on honorary degrees makes complete sense.
 * Regarding the SEP, you're right--"completed" is an odd word. Can we replace that with "graduated from"? (I've updated the draft at User:JeffreyArthurVA/sandbox4 to reflect this, citing Bloomberg.
 * Regarding "the subject's graduation from high school and her undergraduate degree aren't typically added to BLP articles" -- can I politely question that? It seems odd to not include a few well-sourced and neutral sentences explaining where she grew up, and where she attended high school and college. When looking at other BLPs on Wikipedia about notable people (particularly those who have run large/notable companies or nonprofit organizations), this seems to be the norm. For example, Jeff_Bezos, Steve_Jobs, and even Jimmy_Wales all include where the person grew up, what their parent(s)' occupations were, and where they attended school. I don't intend to promote anything here. Would it be fair to include these few sentences, as reflected in the updated draft?
 * Regards, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Because this is stated in the Bloomberg profile, I will add her Bachelor's in Science degree.
 * If you could clarify what it was that the subject graduated with from Stanford's Executive Program at their Graduate School of Business that would be additionally helpful. The Bloomberg source doesn't state this. It would be one of the following:
 * Degree program:
 * MBA
 * MSx
 * PhD
 * Non-degree program:
 * Executive education
 * Please advise. Regards,  Spintendo   21:13, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Hi. There it a discussion about this at the noticeboard. Govindaharihari (talk) 05:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Infobox Photo
A few weeks ago, with this edit, you removed the image from this article for good reason: it was a hastily-cropped screenshot of a YouTube video--of low quality and certainly not licensed properly for Wikipedia.

I have since obtained a proper photo of Jo Ann Jenkins and as the rightsholder, have issued it under the CC-BY-SA license and uploaded it to Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AARP_CEO_Jo_Ann_Jenkins_in_New_York_City_(2018).jpg

Govindaharihari, can you or another editor add this photo to the infobox? I shouldn't do it myself since I work for the organization where Jo Ann Jenkins is CEO. Regards, JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * - done. Many thanks - Govindaharihari (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated. Have a good Thanksgiving. JeffreyArthurVA (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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