Talk:Joan Baez/Archive 1

Discussion
NYPDP here. It's Saint Patrick's Day, 2005. I did a little tweaking and Strunking on this fine article. I do wonder whether or not it needs to be a discography, though. As such, it is woefully incomplete. I was proud to cite the Woodstock credit. It's very difficult to add information while keeping a lid on the gush factor! To Joan! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.228.192 (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2005 (UTC)

too many broken links!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.41.55.2 (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2005 (UTC)

Her style in the mid-late 60s
Like Dylan, Baez was profoundly influenced by the British Invasion and began augmenting her acoustic guitar on 1965's Farewell Angelina just after Dylan began experimenting with folk-rock. Later in the decade, Baez (1968's A Journey Through Our Time) and country music (1968's Any Day Now).

I expanded the German article with some of the information given in this article, but I didn't really understand, what the bold parts above meant. Can anyone tell me maybe in other words or something? TIA, --Flominator 13:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

augmenting her acoustic guitar Baez started out only accompanying herself with her own acoustic guitar, but with 1965's Farewell, Angelina, she added bass and electric guitar for the first time.

experimented with poetry Baez' 1968 Baptism album wea a collection of poetry, spoken and sung to orchestrated accompaniment.

Markt3 August 24, 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markt3 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Gracias a la Vanguard, etc.
I believe that the Discography at the end of the article, constantly updated, is wonderful. A sentence like " her latest album is Dark Chords..." is useless in terms of encyclopedic content. What happens when that's no longer true? It'll be like crossing out the tattooed names of ex-girlfriends. I suggest that Joan's story be told in terms of people, places and events other than who she signed with and in what year. We can do better than a Tower Records shopping list with a life like this one, people. Anyone care to mention Ghandi? Martin Luther King? Kris Kriskriskriskris? All those Make-out Artist of the Year Awards?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.228.192 (talk) 03:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC) -

All great points! I just added a couple of paragraphs about Joan's work on behalf of human rights, her involvement in MLK's March on Washington, her trip to Hanoi, etc. Definitely a "work in progress", and I'm sure someone can expand on my points, plenty of room for improvement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markt3 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC) -

I changed the phrase "carpet bombing" to "bombing" in this sentence--

"During her time there, she was caught in Richard Nixon's "Christmas bombing" of Hanoi, during which the city was carpet bombed for eleven straight days."

Carpet bombing cities was what happened in WW2. Had Hanoi been carpet bombed for 11 days, it would have ceased to exist. achilles 27 Sept 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Achilles2000 (talk • contribs) 23:56, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Why on earth is Joan Baez included in the list of bisexual musicians. She is straight and has said she is not a lesbian. Years ago she said she had one(1) girl encounter. Now everyone thinks she is bisexual. Just because someone supports gay rights doesn't mean they are gay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MRMAGOO3 (talk • contribs) 02:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Mary Hamilton
There is an Infobox on Mary Hamilton, in case someone wants to fill it in with the data from Joan Baez's album.Pustelnik (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Section names
Who named the sections? They're so lame. "Rippin' along towards middle-age" isn't about her middle age and sounds like a cheesy book. "Motherhood, music & moog synthesizers" isn't about any of those things, it's about her career after Vanguard. glocks out 20:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Reorganization
I just did a major reorganization. It will probably need another reorganization, but this at least makes it manageable. There was quite a bit of duplication of material, so I tried to remove any information that was in there more than once. -Maximusveritas (talk) 05:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad you tackled this - it's much improved. I've gone over it again and removed some more redundancies as well as consolidated a few sections - there still may be too many. I also reduced excessive wikilinks, added some references, requested some others, removed some irrelevant stuff and did some copy editing. Still needs work.  Tvoz | talk 07:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Bickering & loving
The clause The two bickered and made love back and forth — referring to Baez and boyfriend Michael New — sounds odd and slightly comical. Also, the phrase "make love," which in earlier eras connoted courtship and romance, has come to denote almost exclusively sexual relations, and seems invasively graphic in this sort of general biography. Sca (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Category:American anti-Iraq War activists
User:Thoughtman keeps removing this article from Category:American anti-Iraq War activists.

A person qualifies for the category if she (a) is opposed to the war in Iraq and (b) is an American residing in America who has said publicly either that (i) she believes that the Iraq War was illegal from the beginning or (ii) she believes that the Iraq War is being waged imprudently and she has become publicly known as a critic of the war or the justifications used to launch it.

This article has an entire section about Baez's public opposition to the war in Iraq. In my view, she satisfies the criteria for inclusion in the category. What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Bob Dylan section: BLP problems
The assertions about Baez's love life require references under WP:BLP and should be removed if none are forthcoming. Regarding the paternity of Baez's son, who was born well after her affair with Dylan, the statement here borders on being incredible. The same holds for the speculation that Baez inspired Paul McCartney to write "Yesterday"; for example, in the Wikipedia article on the song, the only mention of Baez is the fact that she covered it. The long list of lovers is also ridiculous on the same grounds that apply to all of this: "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." This holds for the Dylan quote from 2003, and I find it hard to understand why an editor who found such a quote wouldn't at least give some indication of its source. For now, I've added fact templates on several of these statements. However, a BLP section unsourced template would probably be more appropriate. Allreet (talk) 00:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WP's BLP guidelines plainly state that unsourced material of this nature should be removed without further discussion. I did exactly that. Allreet (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

After reading Baez's entry, I, too had serious questions about the uncited listing of alleged lovers. Just a quick search revealed that the Lennon one is most likely just a wild tale: http://rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-2/joan-baez-and-john-lennon/ Jeff d kirby (talk) 19:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC).


 * A vaguely related problem - we've a category of "Bisexual musicians" but nothing in the text to support it. We really do need to have both or neither - we can't just vaguely categorise people, especially on a sensitive subject, without a clear reliable cited source quoted in the article itself... Shimgray | talk | 22:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Rhinoplasty (nose job)
Does anyone have a source about Joan Baez having cosmetic surgery ? Cuddlyable3 (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

No. What leads you to believe there is one (either a nose job or a source that would indicate such)? Allreet (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I am surprised that you feel you can answer for everyone! Here you can see Ms. Baez at different epoques of her career, leading up to the lovely (including nose) lady that she is seen to be today. That is all I have now and it doesn't fulfil WP:RS. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No, I never turn up my nose at anything without looking up the subject first. My response was based on sniffing around the Internet where I couldn't catch one red scent of Joan's nose news. And I couldn't detect a whiff of a difference in the YouTube pictures you suggested, other than the fact that she's matured, meaning her face has filled out along with the rest of her figure. But Google images will give you a better yardstick to measure probiscuses by. In particular, compare Joan then with Joan now. But who knows? Allreet (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Just stuff
There is no verification Baez has ever been at the Burning Man festival. Also, citations 26 & 27 are invalid. 24.176.191.234 (talk) 23:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I am surprised to see Baez with blonde hair. I've seen her many times, but not in 20+ years. It's amazing that a person with black hair would turn blonde in her late 60's.Donfbreed (talk) 00:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be a genuine LOL were it so - but as I'm guessing you know, it's a trick of the lighting and a low-res photo. Baez has turned a becoming silver gray, as a quick Google Images search of her many recent performances shows. Sensei48 (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

HEAVEN VOICE
joan baez - always strong and peaceful - just like in montreux 1973 -- PietroRotibargo (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Removing unneeded cats
How hard can it be to figure out why someone does not need to be in both the American people of Mexican descent and the American musicians of Mexican descent categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Joan Baez Bob Dylan.jpg to appear as POTD soon
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Joan Baez Bob Dylan.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 28, 2011. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2011-08-28. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks!  howcheng  {chat} 17:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Silent Running
Should this article not mention her involvement with the film Silent Running, a seminal special effects and early Environmentally friendly film, for which she sang, and I believe (any author would have to verify), wrote? It seems that should have a place... 69.29.65.246 (talk) 01:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

History of Joan's social and political activism
This section could use some expansion as it does not do justice to the depth and scope of Joan's long and distinguished role as a voice of the downtrodden. Citations are needed, I don't like templates but it would not be out of line to plate the section. But the overall section is kind of a hodge podge. I have made a preliminary effort at an interim solution but it seems that there needs to be more sorting and ultimately a chronological history of her activism needs to be written by one or more peo0ple specifically focusing on that task. Eventually it may grow into a possible new and separate page - one could actually write an entire five hundred page book on the social and political activism of Joan Baez. Any thoughts? Geo Bard  Semi-retired 02:22, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Baez And Totalitarian Regimes
A CN tag was placed some months ago (questionable) regarding the point in the Vietnam section that Baez's criticism of the post-war Vietnam regime "put her at odds with a segment of the U.S. left wing, who were uncomfortable criticizing a leftist régime." In response, I cited a rather involved article by Murray Rothbard in which he asserts that "Another disquieting aspect of left opinion is a tendency to cast a blind eye toward the dictatorial or totalitarian character of the socialist regimes that it tends to favor. Most on the left think of themselves, and probably sincerely, as "democratic socialists," as believers in a blend of socialism with democracy and freedom of speech and opinion... But, be that as it may, one would expect democratic socialists to be unsparing in their denunciations of violations of freedom and democracy in socialist countries. Sadly, the left’s record has scarcely been reassuring on this issue. The hysterical reaction of many leftists to Susan Sontag’s belated discovery of communist totalitarianism is only the latest instance of this myopia." I'm not a fan of Rothbard or this idea, but he was a heavyweight, one of the first high-profile libertarians. The article is from Inquiry, a reputable journal. The cited article supports the point in the article.Sensei48 (talk) 01:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
 * What you say is correct, but this is an article about Joan Baez, not the American left wing, and that article does not mention Joan Baez at all (unless I am mistaken). For this statement to be justified for including in this article, there should be some documentation that her disagreement with the American left wing is notable. Otherwise, this is simply original research [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research ]: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." Olorinish (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

1970s and the end of the Vanguard Years
This is all post-Vanguard. However, JB did not perform at the Conert for Bangla Desh. LIz Thomson 5 April 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.194.135 (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

The August 2003 Landmine Free World Concert was not in London but in Edinburgh, in the grounds below the Castle. Chrissie Hydne and Billy Bragg also played. During the trip she visited the church on Princes Street where her maternal grandfather had preached. There needs to be discussion of the four Bottom Line sessions that comprised the live recording of Ring Them Bells, in April 1995. There were two lots of two nights (I covered the first two for Mojo). Advocacy: In February 1984, she visited the women's peace camp at Greenham Common. Liz Thomson 4 April 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.148.194.135 (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Category deletion nomination
Category:Joan Baez has been nominated for deletion and is under discussion here. --Lexein (talk) 02:06, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Bob Dylan Section: Baez is love of my life quote
"Joan Baez was and will always be the love of my life. Like true love, it had to end in some way. I never found someone so amazing, so stunningly beautiful yet intelligent like her. Sara was just a cover girl. Baez was the one. And still is."

This had no source and thus seems completely fabricated by some Baez Fanatic. Dylan was never this revealing to the public so I've deleted it.....objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie3039 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

No objections whatsoever. WP:BLP, WP:VER, etc., are on your side. Allreet (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In contrast Joan's love for BD is sourced in her own words "yes I loved you [Bob Dylan] dearly" -- Joan Baez "Diamonds and Rust". The interpolation Bob Dylan is justified by her own anouncement of the songand by its lyrics. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 21:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The impression I got after reading Baez's autobiography and Dylan's Chronicles and watching Don't Look Back is that Baez's romantic feelings toward Dylan were essentially unreciprocated, although he likely strung her along a bit. It's not really surprising. Baez was in a position to help Dylan's early career and Dylan, by all accounts, was a very attractive and charismatic young guy. (Interesting to watch the older woman reporter in Don't Look Back try unsuccessfully to seduce him.) TheScotch (talk) 06:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Best Remembered for....
Joan Baez is best remembered for her rendition of "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down". I looked up her discography and found that single reached number 3. Nothing else she ever did was in the top 10, or top 20, or top 30 of the Billboard Top 100. Most people, like myself, don't know of any other songs she sang, although, she obviously sang a lot. Therefore, this article could be improved greatly for people wanting to know what song she's famous for....by putting here #3 hit single in the forefront of her bio. That is the way it is handled in most other bio's on wiki. Fanboys of the rich details of her serious and productive life can dig into the nitty gritty later on in the article. Thanks. PS when I first scanned the article, I missed completely the "Old Dixie" reference because it is buried amongst other less known titles. N0w8st8s (talk) 05:30, 2 December 2012 (UTC)n0w8st8s


 * Sorry, but Baez's significance is not tied to that song. She has never been an entertainer solely or even primarily, as the article and her autobiography indicate. The fanboy problem would be pandering to the limited Top 40 mentality suggested by putting "Dixie" in the lede, and the problem with many wiki biographies is that they cater to pop culture rather than genuine significance - and the purpose of an encyclopedia is to present dispassionately what is genuinely significant about the topic of each article. Besides, "best known for" is in almost every case POV unacceptable in an encyclopedia. Like many artists whose output has focused on albums, Baez has maybe a dozen other songs that she is "Known" for - and she has described herself as primarily a social and political activist.Sensei48 (talk) 06:06, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I strongly agree with Sensie48. Baez was very famous for about a decade before that recording. Virtually everyone in the sixties knew her name, whether or not they had the slightest interest in folk music or political activism. Fame is not necessarily measured in Top 40 activity, and, as Sensei48 points out, "best known for" is indeed POV. TheScotch (talk) 06:34, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Baez/Dylan songs
I think we should revert the long list of Dylan songs added as "possibly about Baez" - we need sourcing on this, as it's really not particularly useful to have a long laundry list of songs that "may" be about Baez. If there are sources, however, that would be worth knowing about. Tvoz / talk 20:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Same is true for the Baez songs - "To Bobby" is pretty much self-explanatory, and she has hinted that "Diamonds and Rust" is about Dylan; the other, I don't know whose interpretation is the "possibly" part. Sources requested. Tvoz / talk 20:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Diamonds and Rust _has_ to be about Dylan. She doesn't need to hint it. She sang it. I wish "Love Song to a Stranger" were about me. Of course that is irrelevant but it's true. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I say get rid of it. Without sources it is bunk... (LH) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.179.103 (talk) 05:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:LISTS, WP:VER and WP:OR present ample grounds for removal. Some of the songs listed may be worthy of mention in a paragraph but the record (Gray, Sounes, Heylin, Chronicles, etc.) doesn't support more than a bare few of these. Allreet (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Debbie Green?
According to Baby, Let Me Follow You Down: The Illustrated Story of the Cambridge Folk Years, Joan Baez's very close college friend Debbie Green was a pivotal musical influence on Baez. Green taught Baez guitar and performed with her at Club 47 in Cambridge, and supposedly Baez got virtually all of her initial recorded repertoire from Green. Why is Green not mentioned in this article? (Green went on to marry Eric Anderson, but there's no mention of her in the Eric Anderson article either.) TheScotch (talk) 09:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Green figures prominently in Baby, in a sprawling sort of way, including various photograghs with and without Baez and Anderson, but here is what Joni Mitchell said at one (late) point (Reader's Digest, July 2005, "Heart of a Prarie Girl" by Mary Aikins): "Debbie Green and I have become really good friends over the years. She was from Detroit, a friend of Chuck Mitchell [where I get my Mitchell moniker]. Debbie Green was a folk singer. In Berkley [sic] she taught Joan Baez how to sing and play the guitar. So Joan Baez, when she sings, she plays Debbie Green. She's not herself onstage. She has taken Debbie's persona. Debbie in her passive way gave up and let Joan have it. Joan kind of stole her soul and impersonated it."


 * At least one part of this would seem to be in error: Green would have taught Baez in Boston, not in Berkeley (unless Joni knows something the other sources don't). Aside from that, Joni does tend to exaggerate and distort at times. I'm not advocating that the article say Joan Baez stole Debbie Green's soul, only (provisionally, after weighing the evidence) that Green was an important early influence on Baez.


 * Here is Joan Baez herself speaking in a January 9, 2012 interview ("Joan Baez: The Voice Heard 'Round the World") in American Songwriter: "There were the people I learned from in Harvard Square like Debbie Green. She had a beautiful voice.  But that’s probably where the molds came from for me, was my friends from Harvard Square." TheScotch (talk) 11:05, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Bisexuality

 * Joan Baez, bisexual?? is that link accurate, or necessary? J. Van Meter 04:41, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree with Van Meter's comment. It is completely irrelevant and irresponsible for Wikipedia to mention Joan Baez's sexual bias. There is ZERO academic value, which is what we want to uphold, by mentioning this.

If the writer is so interested in people's sex lives, it would only be fair for the writer to tell about his or her own. But please spare us and spare us the fixation with people's sexual lives. I'd like to see Wikipedia's editors remove this reference or I shall.

Thank you, JFW''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janfwagner (talk • contribs) 06:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

In her autobiography, as well as a number interviews Joan has admitted to having had a relationship with another woman in the early '60s (between when she left her first boyfriend, Michael, and when she became involed with Dylan). Her statment regarding the issue was something to the effect that she enjoyed it, doesn't regret it, but has never had the conscious desire to do it again, but that she nonetheless would have to technically describe herself as being bisexual, given that it was such a significant relationship in her life. I'm paraphrasing, and maybe someone could correct any innacuracies in what I've just said. I don't have access to my copy of "And a Voice to Sing With" at the moment, so I can't provide the exact quote. Markt3  8/26/05

I am surprised that no one has put anything down about her fame beginning with the Free Speech Movement (FSM) in Berkeley, really the start of real west-coast activism in the '60s. I'll put something together and post. Jordanf 10/19/05

Two things.

1. The quote from Joan herself regarding her "bisexuality," taken from her 1987 autobiography, "And A Voice to Sing With."

"In 1972, I was talking with a young reporter from a Berkeley paper. He asked me if I was heterosexual. I said simply that if the affair I'd had ten years ago counted, then I was bisexual.... what I would say now if asked the same thing is the following: I had an affair with a girl when I was twenty-two... I assume that the homosexuality within me, which people love to say is in all of us, made itself felt at that time, and saved me from becoming cold and bitter towards everyone. I slowly mended, and since the affair with Kimmie have not had another affair with a woman not the concious desire to."

2. Joan is not a vegetarian! I don't know why people think this is the case (something to do with being a pacifist?), but it is simply not true. phoenixrisingftm 10/28/05 Um...vegetarian? It's a lovely point you make, phoenixrising, but yours is the first mention of the "V" word connected to this article, or did I miss it? Who's calling Joan names?? NYPDP 4/06

"Her disquiet at the human rights violations of communist Vietnam made her increasingly critical of its government and she organized the publication, on May 30, 1979, of a full-page advertisement, published in four major U.S. newspapers, in which the communists were described as having created a nightmare (which put her at odds with a large segment of the domestic left wing, who were uncomfortable criticizing a leftist regime. In a letter of response, Jane Fonda said she was unable to substantiate the "claims" Baez made regarding the atrocities being committed by the Khmer Rouge)"

There seems to be a confusion here. Are we talking Vietnamese communists or are we talking Khmer Rouge communists? These two groups have been opposed to each other during most of their existence. --194.145.161.227 21:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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I wholeheartedly agree with Van Meter's comment. It is completely irrelevant and irresponsible for Wikipedia to mention Joan Baez's sexual bias. There is ZERO academic value, which is what we want to uphold, by mentioning this.

Indeed, one wonders what the left-wing infatuation is with sexuality generally. If it has no place in Wiki, what relevance does it have vis a vis 'coming out' ? Precisely zero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.59.182.233 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 2 May 2007

I beg to differ

I wasn't aware an 'infatuation with sexuality' was left or right wing (tabloids tend not to be left wing but are obsessed with sexuality). Seeing as she is a campaigner for gay rights and has spoken openly in her autobiography about a lesbian relationship she had as a young women then this issue has 'precisely' far more value than 'zero' no matter that you don't want it discussed; reference to it clearly belongs in Wiki. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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I came to the talk page to see why Baez is no longer listed as a bisexual musician. I see that the main page does not list her relationship with Kim, although it is discussed in her book (rather than, say, being gossip or unconfirmed). I see on this page a number of comments about why people think her sexual orientation should or should not be listed. Way was it deleted? Did someone decide it was unconfirmed in spite of Baez' self-description? Her self description is less than totally clear, but includes the word bisexual and documented bisexual attractions. I can't imagine why this would be considered not relevant. Would an artist who says they are gay have that information not included? I think it is relevant information. {{subst:unsigned|66.245.21.131|01:32, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't. The article is too long as it is. Adding Baez's affair with Kim Chappell, who already is referenced toward the end of the Janis Joplin article, would make the Baez article bloated. Chappell never has had a career of her own. If gay rights activists want to add homosexual information to the Wikipedia article of a famous performer who is not recognized publicly as gay or bisexual, they should choose a performer who has done very little activism on behalf of human rights or a political candidate. The person's article must be short enough to have room for the homosexual data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.204.174 (talk) 07:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Baez / Ennio Morricone
Why isn't mentioned that she recorded four tracks with Ennio Morricone for his soundtrack to Sacco e Vanzetti? The single Here's to You sold over 1 million copies worldwide, including 790,000 copies in France only. She sung also on The Ballad of Sacco e Vanzetti.Christo jones (talk) 22:27, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Error in flow of information
In the final para of the introduction, there is a list of many of the songs which she is known for and then immediately afterwards it says that she performed three of these at Woodstock and that that brought attention to Bob Dylan. But this is not logical, as the songs listed are not all Dylan compositions. Could someone with a better knowledge of Baez and Dylan than me please sort this out? Boscaswell (talk) 22:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Two of the songs were written by Dylan, but you're right that it makes no sense. By Woodstock Dylan was already quite well known. The phrase is not sourced anywhere in the article, so I removed it. Whoever wrote that didn't have a clue about Bob Dylan. Thanks for pointing this out. Sundayclose (talk) 23:05, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Here is the culprit who grossly distorted the meaning by adding a single word . Baez did help bring Dylan to national prominence, but not at Woodstock. Sundayclose (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ...and to reflect that fact, I added to your edit and supplied sources. Sensei48 (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

"Pro-confederate social justice?"
Baez did not write "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down," it's not a "pro-confederate social justice" song, and the reference used (footnote 4) is to The Oathkeepers, who are probably not up to Wikipedia's standard for neutral sources. I would remove this odd line at the very top of the article but wanted to check in here first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:47:4201:3EC0:24F3:17ED:E30:B13E (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Joan wildss Baez
Joan wildss Baez

Is this a typo or vandalism?

It is so odd I hesitate to correct it. Am I missing something? EDLIS Café 21:12, 9 October 2017 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdRicardo (talk • contribs)


 * It was vandalism, masquerading under the guise of "fixing a typo". --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Hispanic / Latina / Race
There are a number of category tags, but I can find no direct mention of Hispanic ethnicity or ancestry in the text of the article, that is a pretty obviously omission, is that deliberate whitewashing of race or would there be objection if that is added to her infobox. It would be like not mentioning that Sammy Davis Jr was black. It seems she regrets not making more of her Hispanic heritage. Bachcell (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you search for "Mexic", you'll find a bit of info about her Mexican heritage in the early life section. Ethnicities are not mentioned in infoboxes, but if you have sourced info related to her Latina heritage, feel free to add it. Graham 87 06:42, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Concert in Bratislava 1989 went differently
Here I collect a few things for myself or anyone willing to properly research and correct these two sentences in the section 1980s and 1990s:

During her performance, she greeted members of Charter 77, a dissident human-rights group, which resulted in her microphone being shut off abruptly. Baez then proceeded to sing a cappella for the nearly four thousand gathered.

There is a documentary with excerpts from that concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHYxysQN1E At about 0:50:00 the mentioned greeting to Charter 77 members is shown, but nothing special happened. Then Joan Baez introduced a Czech singer, Ivan Hoffman, and it was during his song that the shut off happened, and not just his microphone, but all the power, looks like.

Without amplification, Ivan stops singing. Joan thanks him and he leaves the stage. Joan takes over and sings a song a cappella, but with the mic working (again?). Maybe the documentation explains why the band has no power or whatever. The guy that was at the audio desk during the concert and others involved give their comments in the video, but because I don’t know Czech or Slovakian, this doesn’t help me a lot :)

Another video shows better how things went because it gives more complete coverage of the moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeV9fyU6HMQ --Geke (talk) 14:27, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Joan and the Esalen Institute
Joan as a teen at the Murphy house, a house-sitting that was shared with Hunter S. Thompson, until he was evicted for shooting out the bottom floor windows.("The Upstart Spring"- the History of Esalen Institute") That property was later developed into Esalen Institute and Joan has been involved with the Institute ever since. In the Late 1960s she and her sister performed with many popular artists at Esalen, made into a film called "Celebration at Big Sur" available on youtube. Celebration At Big Sur Part 3 - Joan Baez - Bing video 2601:1C2:4E00:2100:F42D:3967:1AC3:58C2 (talk) 09:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)