Talk:Joan Sullivan Garrett

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (the page was developed after researching the pages of other notable women and CEOs such as Carly Fiorina, Barbara Barrett, Martha Stewart, etc. and notable male CEOs as well. Joan Sullivan Garrett is a contemporary of those notable people and has been honored alongside those notable people. For instance, she, Jeff Bezos, and Barbara Barrett have received the same hall of fame inductions. Because she is a historical pioneer in global flight safety and flight medicine, she has received other significant hall of fame inductions and national awards as well. The article is not meant to promote her business, but rather document the impact of her groundbreaking efforts, highlighted by the media published by every aviation organization nationally. I will gladly rewrite if necessary. Please do not delete this women who, against all odds, pioneered flight safety — something that had never before been done. I did put a lot of effort into documenting (proving) every entry so that the article is credible and supported by dozens and dozens of independent third party sources. Joan certainly meets the notability criteria. The categories I included came from the categories of the notable women I mentioned above. I truly followed/mirrored the Wikipedians who wrote those articles. I implore you to keep this article on Wikipedia and guide me if, in fact, it needs correction. Thank you. ) --MelanieSaxton (talk) 10:49, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I've been editing Wikipedia since 2002, and I just stumbled across this article by chance. I have no connection with the subject or any editors. I concur that the recent treatment of this article seems inappropriate. The subject is unquestionably noteworthy, so the speedy delete was uncalled-for. So was the move to Draft status. Some cleanup seems appropriate, but the citations are abundant, not not many seem biased. Can the critics point out some specific statements which seem like ads, and aren't based in credible sources? Let's just get them fixed.
 * There is an accusation of "Undisclosed paid" editing, but nothing was put in the Talk page to back that up., can you respond to that? Have you been paid to edit this or any other Wikipedia articles without disclosure? ★NealMcB★ (talk) 20:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Cleaned up
I removed the text which struck me as promotional, along with a slew of citations from primary or closely related or incidental sources, and trimmed material based on those sources. I think it is suitable for re-review now. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 16:19, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Notable, ready to make official
As noted above I've independently reviewed this, and as an experienced wikipedia editor, I find it notable. I asked at AfC for advice and they said I could go ahead and move it to article space. So I removed the "Cleanup-PR" and AFC submission templates, and moved the page.

For anyone who wants to assess notability, I recommend these three quality notability citations (THREE):

https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,689453,00.html

https://nationalaviation.org/the-national-aviation-hall-of-fame-recognizes-the-class-of-2020/

https://ktar.com/story/1479478/off-central-arizona-nurse-pioneers-in-air-medical-emergency-treatment/ ★NealMcB★ (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

COI or PAID disclosures by @MelanieSaxton
thank you for putting so much work into this page. But you noted at User talk:MelanieSaxton that you edited the autobiography of Joan Sullivan Garrett, the subject of this article. You say you weren't paid specifically for creating and editing this article, but there is clearly at least a conflict of interest. I think the subject is notable, so I spent a while trying to clean the article up by removing promotional material and references. I request that you respect Wikipedia policies, and review Conflict of interest and paid and Template:Connected contributor and add the appropriate disclosures to this page and to your user page, depending on the details. Thanks again for your contributions. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I was not paid to create Joan's Wikipedia page AT ALL. It was well outside any scope of paid work and was created because I felt her achievements deserved a Wikipedia page. I believe many book editors, journalists, and writers create Wiki pages at no charge simply because they have the reference materials to do so and volunteers are encouraged to contribute; otherwise, there would be no Wikipedia. You have a backlog of pages that need created, and this was an opportunity to help. It is not a conflict of interest, but a benefit to Wikipedia readers. In fact, the notice at the top of the page is disparaging because Wikipedia has been notified on several occasions that NO ONE was paid to create this page and it is unfair and false to state otherwise, or even allude to it. I made Joan aware of the disparaging comment and she can take action to have it removed if she so chooses because, again, no one was paid to write this page, and the copious citations attest to the truth, accuracy, and neutrality of the article. MelanieSaxton (talk) 02:18, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, thank you very, very much for editing the article and it reads well. However, the categories are missing. I used examples from Martha Stewart and Carly Fiorina's pages to add Joan's categories, which I understand to be a standard Wikipedia practice. MelanieSaxton (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2023 (UTC)