Talk:Joannicius II of Constantinople

Lindos
"Lindos" is his surname or simply the place where he was born? I've not found any ref about the fact he was born in Lindos. The reference "Kiminas" use "Lindos" as a surname, and also from the Gedeon pag 574 looks like it is a surname (but my Greek is classical and very poor...)
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 * thanks for copyedit A ntv (talk) 23:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, the cited passage says that he was "possibly" born in Rhodes, but a surname like "Lindios" is very uncommon and looks rather like "man from Lindos". This tallies with the most common form of his name in Greek, "Ιωαννίκιος Β' ο Λίνδιος", compare with the martyr "Μαλαχίας ο Λίνδιος" who was demonstrably from Lindos. It is also unclear if by "born in Rhodes" the island or the city of Rhodes are meant. The phrasing leaves it perfectly possible that his family came from Lindos on Rhodes, but that he was "possibly" born in the city of Rhodes. Anyhow, we can rephrase the article in order to make clear that his actual origin is not clear. Constantine  ✍  08:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The reference Auber-DHGE, which is in French I can well read and it is based on a rich bibliography, says: Il était originarie de l'ile de Rhodes (He was "originary" from the island of Rhodes), but this sentence is quite vague and it could mean also that his family came from the island, as well as he was actually born there. However it can be that in the past simple people did not had a surname, and they took as surname the name of the place they were born: this was an use in that century in the Hasburg Empire, but I don't know about Greece.A ntv (talk) 09:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant the Greek passage you cited above. It says πιθανώς έν Ρόδω, "possibly in Rhodes". Anyhow, surnames of various origins were in widespread use among the Greeks at the time, but "Lindios" is definitely not a surname. It denotes origin, "of Lindos"/"the Lindian", and is in use since antiquity, as in Chares of Lindos (Chares ho Lindios). Constantine  ✍  09:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC)