Talk:Job's Daughters International

Merge tag
As this is little more than a stub, it should go into the article it references. MSJapan 01:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it explains what a Honored Queen is. This is an encyclopedia, not a ad for Job's Daughters and way too much is being put in here. Going to the main web page for IOJD a person can find out more info, if they desire.


 * Yes, I totally agree with you. This is an Encyclopedia, not an advertisment web page for JDI. Wikipedia has what they call a NPOV (neutral point of view) so only information that would explain what something is should go into a page. Although most people editing on this page have well intentioned meanings, they should leave the page alone! This is not the place to show your pride in the organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wally11 (talk • contribs) 2006-03-27


 * I add to the above comments that although it can seem biased people are entering here to explain what Job's Daughters is and although going to the main web page for the organization may be the way to learn more most people that come to Wikipedia do not bother to go to outside links; they come here for a quick lesson or to have a question answered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.130 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-06


 * Yes, that makes sense as most people will probably not bother to check further by going to the official web page for Job's Daughters unless they were looking for something specific to a state or country. Still, I do agree with the other comments that should not be a booster type page but should just give information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wally11 (talk • contribs) 2006-05-12


 * I strongly disagree with regard to your negative comments about not boosting the Order in this page. What Wikipedia wrote about the Order did not boost the Order, but simply stated what the Order is about.  I'm sure if you looked up the Girl Scouts on this website you will find some biased input.  Furthermore, if you are allowed to bash what has been written and "Okayed" for this website, then we should consequently be allowed to debate your comments.  Why else would they have a discussion page?  Small minds only want what's black and white, this is not the way to true enlightenment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 26.180.173.184 (talk • contribs) 2006-12-05


 * For whoever made the comment about promoting this page and biased info on the Girl Scouts site - Wikipedia should be neutral. If any article starts looking like an ad, it should be edited and anything opinion-based should be deleted. This article looks relatively OK to me, so I'm not sure if this was a past issue. NickBurns 18:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I am confused, where is the boosting. Every word that was written is as true as can be. As A member of Jobs Daughters I can tell you with full sertenty that every word is the truth about Jobs Daughters. Go to any other offical Jobs Daughters web site and it will tell you the same thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.129.22 (talk • contribs) 2008-04-20

IOJD/JDI
I reviewed various state websites. Washington's site states:


 * Welcome to the Official Web Site of the Grand Guardian Council of Washington Job's Daughters International

Illinois has "Job's Daughters International" in the graphic at the top of the page, and


 * This is the official website of the Grand Guardian Council of Illinois

at the bottom. Oklahoma tells us that


 * The purpose of Job's Daughters International is to promote love and friendship among young women.

and further states that


 * This website is not the official Supreme Guardian Council's International Order of Job's Daughters website and information appearing here is the property of the Oklahoma Grand Guardian Council.

So, it's clearly not the case that only states directly under the Supreme Guardian Council use the JDI nomenclature.--Sar e kOfVulcan 02:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I added the full quote from Job 42:15. That is what is used in Job's Daughters, not just the first half.  Hope that helps!  Beki346 10:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed that a few states are using the JDI and changed text to reflect that.

Cleanup
I hope I'm using the talk page right, and if I am not, please let me know.

I have added the 'cleanup' tag for this page, because it seems just a tad bit messy and disorganized to me. Aesha 20:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Suggested merge
Do we really need seperate articles on Rainbow, DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Triangle? Why not merge them into one article on "Masonic Youth Organizations"? Blueboar 19:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we do need the separate ones: combining them would be too unwieldly, in my opinion.--SarekOfVulcan 12:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this is a resolved and dead issue at this point, and we won't be merging. The MYO article actually got AfDed. MSJapan 19:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Seperate pages would definetly be prefered. There is even a new group, Order of Nathan Hale, started in Wyoming after the Grand Master there pulled recognigition of DeMolay.

Having all of the groups lumped together would make corrections and additions a nightmare.

Wally11 (talk) 00:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aug 26, 2009

List of famous Jobies
Can we come up with some citations for that, please?--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 21:41, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently not. I have removed all names, due to lack of sources.  --Rob (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to see that the names were removed

I can refer you to a page where famous Jobies are posted, all of whom have been verified.

www.myspace.com/phq96

Wally11 (talk) 00:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aug 26, 2009


 * MySpace pages are generally not considered Reliable sources around here. Now, if they had sources linked from the listing, that might be useful... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

The persons listed are the source in most instances, unless their family was the source if they are deceased. Each person listed also has her Bethel number,city and state listed.

Wally11 (talk) 00:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aug 26, 2009

cult no way
the jobs daughters are not a cult we are a responable group of ladies that are young. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.137.99 (talk) 00:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Masonic Reference?
I'm new to Wiki and don't want to mess anything up, but why isn't there a reference to IOJD in the FreeMason's article? 168.251.194.18 (talk) 17:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There is -- check out the template in the upper right.

i am in jobies an who ever wrote this is right, we are no cult, jobies is to teach girls life skills and leadership. though we also learn about job, a man who was very faithful and the adversary tried his faith sending him through test after test, even killing his sons and daughters, taking away his riches, killing his wife, and he still kept his faith in god and in the end his richesness prevailed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.116.181 (talk) 04:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Missunderstood
Most people judge Job's Daughters by the Masonic History, and believe that it is some sort of cult. However, it is not. There is not even the slightest chance that Job's Daughters are a cult. It is basicly like a soritey, or guild. an organization that used to thrive, and is now slowly deminishing due to many reasoins- but the most common is the fact that Job's daughters is not a cult. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.151.211.240 (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

There are a few small articles that do explain that Job's Daughters, as well as Freemasons, are not in any sense of the defined word, cults. I will gather some and post back her.

Wally11 (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aug 26, 2009

I have several pamphlets but it would take quite a while to transcribe them all. Here is the best rebuttal of them;

I understand Job's Daughters are related to or part of the Masons. Aren't the Masons a (satanic cult?, secret order to dominate the world?, etc.)

That’s a ridiculous notion advanced by those who are either “uninformed” (don't know or clearly understand Masonry) or have some particular issue or axe to grind, or as is more commonly found, making huge profits by selling books, tapes, DVD’s, etc. All of these books, tapes, etc. have been proven incorrect many times yet these people persists in continuing to sell them. Some seek to perpetuate falsehoods because they’ve heard or read about them from other people, choosing to believe the lies of others without really having the facts themselves. Some have gotten this idea by falsehoods and twisted facts they've read on the Internet (the world's largest source of misinformation). In some cases it's simply a matter of misinterpretation. It’s simply not true: no, Masons are not a “cult” of any sort, nor does Masonry contain the hallmarks of a cult, as defined by experts on the subject of cults. Many famous people are/have been Masons, including 15 presidents of the United States, military heroes, actors, judges, politicians, America Patriots, and many many other names you'd immediately recognize. Also, 9 of the 13 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Masons. Many pastors are even Masons.

Hopefully this will not be edited or deleted and you will be able to use some of it when you are talking to other youths.

Also, The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon has an excellent collection of articles regarding anit-masonry and the mistruths that have been spread.

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/index.html

Wally11 (talk) 01:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)Aug 26, 2009

Job's Daughters
moved from my talk -- Sarek

PLEASE leave the page alone. If you do not know the correct information, stop posting.

I have tried to fix this page so many times but your interference keeps showing up.

You cannot learn about an organization by searching on the Internet and then deciding to post something.

Job's Daughters International IS NOT used in California, as well as other states. It is used where the is no Grand Guardian Council, but the organization is under the direct jurisdiction of the Supreme Guardian.

I am so frustrated with your incessent attempts to edit this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wally11 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We had this discussion before, and I found quite a few locations where JDI was used by GGC jurisdictions. See above.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 23:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ... umm, apparently including California. http://www.caiojd.org/
 * This is the official Website of the Grand Guardian Council of California, Job's Daughters International
 * Am I missing something here? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Age range at founding
In 1934, the age range was 13-20. http://books.google.com/books?id=AugWAQAAIAAJ&q=&quot;Job's+Daughters&quot;&dq=&quot;Job's+Daughters&quot; However, someone just changed the age range at the founding to be 13-18. Does anyone actually have a source establishing what the ages were at the time? Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Sisters who have held the top 3 offices of Honored Queen, Senior Princess, Junior Princess
My name is Cindy Meredith Clark I am Past Honored Queen of Bethel #2 in Madeira Beach Florida, I believe in 1975 or 1976, my sisters Brenda Meredith Stone, and Tammy Meredith Brunaugh held Senior and Junior Princess at the same time. I am curious as well as they are to see if 3 Sisters held the top 3 positions together other than us at any Bethel in the United States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.8.12.145 (talk) 19:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * that's very interesting. unfortunately, Wikipedia isn't a place to find that kind of detail.  i hope you were able to find the information you were looking for.Colbey84 (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

"Controversy" section
while the info in this section is interesting and should be included, i found the writing to be quite opinionated. some examples:
 * "has a penchant for getting into legal battles and causing controversy throughout the Masonic world"
 * "causing financial harm to the organization"
 * "decided to try it again"
 * "tales of corruption and bullying"
 * "because its administrators felt at risk speaking out"
 * "pokes good-natured fun"

in general, this section could use a good edit, but it is the expressed opinions that are most concerning as a WP article. if these phrases are direct quotes from reliable sources, they should be written AS direct quotes. (a vague reference somewhere in the paragraph should not be used for opinions.)

and, while at least some of this info is relevant, this phrase reads like an advertisement (and is also vaguely opinion):
 * "Ms. Yoast makes custom, one-off designs that do not use any registered JDI trademarks for members, Bethels, Grand Bethels, and the Supreme Guardian Council at her sites "Sweet JoRaDe"[12] and "Pink Power Printing."

since i see some huffing about who can or should edit on this page, i won't edit anything, but will leave this as a suggestion.Colbey84 (talk) 15:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Anyone can edit on this page.-- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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Newest Edits (2024)
Edits have been made to include information about project of Job's Daughters, H.I.K.E. which is a central point of jobs daughters such as the Shriner's hospital is to Shriners and Daughters of the Nile. I also added a section about the regalia of Job's Daughters. It is often seen, but not really *talked about* or *understood* by most. Reasons for change: Including more information about the organization as a whole, and not just it's bare bones. The regalia section was added b/c of the significance of the robe to the organization, it's values, and presence in the world around us, just like how girl scouts are associated with green sashes.

A lot of my information comes from a version of the Ritual, notably the 2011 version in English. I wanted to specifically note this because of the talk of a new version of the ritual to come out within the next few years, meant to make the language easier to use and understand. In the History section I also noted the other ritual revisions and copyrights, as well as the date instituted for the original use of the 1920 version.

In summary, these changes were made to increase information about JDI, in hopes to make the article be higher than a C-class, one day, as well as better preserve the ideals of this organization as it struggles in membership in recent years. I plan on also including a section about the international efforts of Job's Daughters, and trying to find information about the lost bethels in Japan and Germany, which from what I understand existed to about 2020. I want to also make sure the other countries that support Job's Daughters is recognized too, like the Canada, Philippines, Australia, and Brazil, who have significant relevance in Job's Daughters because they make the organization cross oceans and languages alike. Kami lynn47 (talk) 08:16, 3 July 2024 (UTC)