Talk:Jock

Dictionary
This looks like more of a dictionary entry. . . . Plus I don't totally agree with it. Like most Scotsman, I'm often nicknamed Jock by non-Scots English speakers who don't know me or my name but are trying to be friendly. It's never sounded offensive to me. -- Derek Ross "the name Jock being a common male name in Scotland" No it isn't. I've never heard of anyone here called Jock.Calmac1991 (talk) 16:45, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that it looks like a dictionary entry. IMHO it is a fine line to cross between dictionary and encyclopedia.  I have an Encyclopedic Dictionary at home, not sure where that one fits in.  The problem with racial offensive remarks is they are only offensive if taken so by the recipient. -- User:Jim McKeeth
 * It all depends on the underlying meaning. When I lived in England, I used to get very upset if anyone called me "Jock". Unfortunately, an old school friend of mine, also living in England, would refer to us as "Jocks". Made me cringe every time I heard it. I considered the modern meaning to imply that I was some kind of yokel - the british version of a hill-billy, if you will. Surely an additional item should be added to this? Jock is also a slang term for a radio DJ.
 * I suggest that you add further meanings to the Wiktionary article for this word. Uncle G 12:22, 2005 May 1 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's a pretty straightforward distinction. The dictionary takes articles about words (their pronunciations, etymologies, meanings, inflections, relations to other words, translations, usages, and so forth), and the encyclopaedia takes articles about concepts, people, places, and things.  If this were an article about a concept/person/place/thing named jock, then it would be an encyclopaedia article.  But it's an article about the meanings of the word "jock" (which Wiktionary has, as usual, managed to do a better job of in days than Wikipedia has done in years).  This should be turned into a disambiguation article. Uncle G 12:22, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

I see no point
I see no point in keeping the main page. It doesn't even read as an article. Heck, it doesn't look like one either. Anyways, "jock" is a slang word and it's offensive. I've been athletic and very involved in sports throughout my entire life and being referred by others as "a jock" is insulting. The word jock implies we athletic guys are incapable of having a brain. I know many others would agree. Caden S ( talk ) 21:13, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Jock is a disambiguation page not an article. The article about the jock you are referring to is at Jock (athlete). Regardless of weather or not a word is offensive does not matter because we do not censor on Wikipedia.R00m c (talk) 03:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * And the point of a Dab page is to get users who enter a title that could apply to more than one topic to the one they actually were after. --Jerzy•t 02:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Removed RedLink'd entries
Each entry among the following should, when an article is written for it, be copied to the accompanying Dab page, and the copy struck thru. --Jerzy•t 06:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC) --Jerzy•t 06:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Three similar entries:
 * * Jock, a character in Raiders of the Lost Ark
 * * Jock, cat of Winston Churchill
 * * Wee Jock, dog of Hamish Macbeth
 * info for editors: None of these is mentioned in the corresponding article, and mention alone is insufficient to justify Dab'n: more than a DictDef is needed, since users come here looking for at least a brief article; if that's not what they want, they go to a DICT
 * * Jock, Vincent Reis, an all-star sprinter
 * info for editors: no articles lk to this rdlk.

No mention of "Jock" as a term for a Scot on the disambiguation page?
This seems like a very major oversight (from a British / international perspective).

While it is less common to hear or read the term being used currently (at least by the younger generation in the UK who have frequently heard 'jock' used in American media as a term for a male athlete), a Jock' meaning Scotsman or 'The Jocks' meaning the Scots generally is/was in *very* wide mainstream use in Britain (and I think also other British Commonwealth countries e.g. Australia etc). This use of 'Jock' was *extremely* common in films, books, TV etc throughout the 20th Century.

By current standards some people *may* see the term as being derogatory / insulting due to some sort of national stereotyping or whatever (although arguably just part of general verbal slang originally with no insult being implied by the use of the term alone, e.g. along with calling an Englishman a 'Tommy', and Irishman a 'Paddy', a Welshman a 'Taffy', a German 'Fritz' and so on) the term should not be skipped over in an encyclopaedia due to having a possible offensive or 'politically incorrect' nature by contemporary standards, rather any potential offence should be mentioned in the text of an article.

I actually came here hoping to find an origin for the use of 'Jock' to mean 'a Scot', wondering if it was due to Jock having *in the past* been a common name in Scotland (i.e. equivalent to Jack &or John) or whether it was due to a specific historical or literary figure called 'Jock' e.g. as per 'Tommy' from "Tommy Atkins", 'Paddy' from "St Patrick", 'Taffy' from the river Taff etc.

Even if there isn't currently a page about this, the term should surely still be covered in the disambiguation page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.112.195 (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed this independently and came here to Talk.
 * The principal meaning of "Jock" is a Scotsman.
 * In Canada, 99.238.74.216 (talk) 18:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * A user called Bkonrad keeps on deleting the reference because he says it is not on the page for Scottish people, even though there is no requirement for such a mention on WP:DPAGE 62.190.148.115 (talk) 10:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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