Talk:Joe Atuhaire

WP:BLPN
Please see this section at WP:BLPN where I have asked for opinions about this article. Johnuniq (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The allegations are removed as the person is not even of clear notability - that is, the claims are not found in major reliable sources. If we listed "65th place" for every Olympic event, I fear we would have more useless information that Pokémon articles have . Collect (talk) 13:37, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Checked WP:NSPORTS@WP:NOLYMPICS - Athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they have competed at the modern Olympic Games, including the Summer Olympics (since 1896) or the Winter Olympics (since 1924), or have won a medal at the Paralympic Games; e.g. Ian Thorpe or Laurentia Tan. Rightly or wrongly, there seems to be is a presumption of notability for all Olympians. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 13:45, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


 * 11,000+ athletes for the 2012 summer games. So far more than 150,000 in the past 15 summer games.  Removing multiple games for one person, still over 100,000 for the athletes.  3,000 for each winter games, but let's ignore them.  The "presumption" does not mean that the person is "well known" however, and thus is not a reason for keeping contentious allegations to make up half the biography. Collect (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I would also suggest that looking at the redacted material, there were no allegations made; the material appears to have been phrased as facts, supported by reliable sources. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 14:26, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * While I have no great interest either way, it would seem that there are at least two separate questions - notability, which seems covered by WP:OLYMPICS - and "well known"-ness, for which, as at WP:BLPN, I believe there is a (perhaps weak) case. Well-known does not equate to "household name".
 * And the comment about the prosecutors dropping a case "who did not provide a reason" seems to imply that they did not drop the case for simple lack of convincing evidence. That aside alone is sufficient to place the section beyond the pale for a very marginally notable person (whose claim to fame is coming in dead last in an Olympic event among all competitors.) Collect (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, no such implication was intended, quite the opposite, in truth; but if such was inferred, then we need to do better. The phrasing in the Associated Press source, "Atuhaire released for unknown reason", is prosecutors told the Downing Center Local Court that the charges had been dropped. They did not explain why. How would we better paraphrase this? - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 15:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The charges were dropped is succinct - but when a relatively unknown person is involved, that is insufficient for inclusion in a BLP in my own opinion. Collect (talk) 15:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to Collect for the cleanup and Ryk72 for the WP:NOLYMPICS link. Sorry but I'm going to have a minor rant regarding that guideline: it's typical of some silly pages which don't really provide guidance—it shows Ian Thorpe as an example, but that has a list of gold medals far longer than this entire article! No one needs a guideline to see that obviously Thorpe is notable, but where is a link to the discussion that established that anyone who competed satisfies WP:N? Anyway, I'm happy for this article to exist so long as WP:BLPCRIME is observed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:34, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with the concerns on the WP:NOLYMPICS guideline. The second example provided is Laurentia Tan, a multiple Paralympics medalist, also obviously notable. Somewhat consoled that article space is not limited, and non-medalist Olympians are not "competing" with other subjects; but do think we might see a lot of stub articles. Would support review & discussion of WP:NOLYMPICS - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 06:23, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

"Universality place"
per FINA : given out to federations that don’t have a swimmer meeting either the FINA “A” standard or “B” standard for Olympic qualification. Collect (talk) 14:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)