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This article has a lack of sources and is written in a sports journalism style which is inappropriate for an encyclopedia.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Correcting mistakes and eliminating unnecessary extra info
I wrote much of the original content for this article many years ago. Since then, lots of surplus and unnecessary information has been inserted into my sentences. I eliminated some of that needless verbiage. I also corrected a number of factual mistakes.

Concerning Bugner's world rating, I know for a fact that he was almost always in the top-10 from 1971 until 1978. His place in the ratings was established by his win over Henry Cooper in 1971. In 1976, Bugner retired for a few months, and was dropped from the rankings. But by the end of that year Bugner was back, and ranked as high as fourth worldwide. Bugner was inactive for years after his 1977 defeat by Ron Lyle, but remained ranked by most of the trade magazines until well into 1978. Therefore it's most accurate and concise to state that Bugner was a top-10 contender for most of the 1970s.

On the subject of Bugner's 1973 loss to Muhammad Ali, the scorecards weren't really "lopsided", as this article states. Final scores for that match favored Ali by margins (in rounds) of 7-4-1, 6-3-3, and 8-3-1. That means two of the scorecards were somewhat close. Therefore, I deleted the word "lopsided" from this part of the article.

I eliminated lots of irrelevant information from the paragraph about Bugner's 1972 victories. For example, it's completely inappropriate to mention the Doug Kirk bout, as Kirk was inexperienced and insignificant as an opponent. The Rudi Lubbers victory isn't worth mentioning either, as Lubbers was really just a club-fighter. Bugner's win over Tony Doyle, a tough but aging journeymen, probably shouldn't be put in a biographical article like this. The verbiage about Doyle's prior accomplishments (going the distance with Quarry, etc) is definitely wordy and inappropriate. This part of Bugner's career is best summarized by emphasizing his eight consecutive wins, and noting the Blin victory, as the latter was top-15 fighter of some (if only minor) significance on the world scene. The most important issue to note about 1972 is that Bugner had rectified the deficiencies caused by his lack of experience, which was his bane in 1971.

Regarding Bugner's Jimmy Ellis victory, note that Ellis was no longer a top contender. I corrected that mistake. By the time of the 1974 Bugner bout, Ellis was on the downside and had slipped to the bottom of the top-15 ratings. Concerning Mac Foster, it's wordy and not entirely accurate to describe him as "highly rated" when he lost to Bugner in 1973. At that time, Foster was a dangerous but fading former contender who was only a top-20 fighter at best. Also, Bugner's victories over Dante Cane, Mario Barruzi and Bepi Ros aren't really worth mentioning in this biographical article. That's because all three Italian heavyweights were nowhere close to being world class - or even top-20 - in ability. Those victories were really cannon-fodder wins for Bugner, nothing more.

Another change I made was to eliminate the wording (in parentheses) to the effect that "lingering" effects of the Cooper decision were a factor in Bugner's defeats to Jack Bodell and Larry Middleton. There's no need to put this speculative observation into the article. The original sentence notes that Bugner's defeats at that early stage of his career were due to inexperience and lack of an extensive amateur background. That says it all, really, and is the most concise way to summarize the reasons for Bugner's failures at the end of 1971.

There are many other inaccuracies, and wordy and unneeded phrases, that could be eliminated from this article. But I didn't bother to try to clean up all of those deficiencies. If anyone wants to collaborate with me on improving this article, please feel free to make contact. I am exceptionally well-informed about Bugner's career, based on extensive reading of international newspapers, films and trade magazines. Kenmore (talk) 16:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)