Talk:Joe G. N. Garcia

Controveresy section
I have removed this for now since the way it is written is not supported by the citation. --Malerooster (talk) 01:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the "material" in question:

Controversy ''− Joe "Skip" Garcia has been accused of doing the political bidding of state Senator Andy Biggs (R) with regards to the termination of employment of a prominent faculty member, Dr. Sue Sisley. Dr. Sisley had recently received federal approval from the Health and Human Services Secretary allowing her to conduct a Stage II triple blind clinical trial on the efficacy of Marijuana on Veterans suffering from PTSD. Dr. Sisley is currently the only researcher with permission to do research with whole plant marijuana. The study also has University of Arizona Internal Review Board approval and approval from the FDA. It was reported that in April 2014 that "Skip" called Dr Sisley and told her he was calling on behalf of Dr Ann Hart's office (University President), and told Dr Sisley to account for her time spent on the matter and that if Dr Sisley didn’t reply to his request, "she wouldn’t have a job,”. Dr Garcia told her that Senate President Andy Biggs had questioned Sisley’s activism with members of UA administration and government relations team, it is believed this precipitated scrutiny and ultimately her firing." Garcia has refused comment.''

What do others think? --Malerooster (talk) 19:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Notability
I think the following satisfies WP:ACADEMICS: "Dr. David Marine Professor of Medicine Environmental Health Sciences and Biomedical Engineering, and the Director of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine"

"University of Chicago at the Lowell T. Coggeshall Professor of Medicine and Chairman of the Department of Medicine"

"Vice Chancellor for Research and Earl M Bane Professor of Medicine at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and in February 2011 named as the Vice President for Health Affairs"

"elected to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies"

"Senior Vice President for Health Sciences of The University of Arizona[16] and in March 2014 assumed the role of interim Dean of the College of Medicine"

"principal investigator on federally sponsored research grants totaling more than $9 million per year"

"past president of the Central Society for Clinical Research"

Also 35 book chapters, a good number of peer reviewed articles (at least 4 with over 500 citations), a Google Scholar h-index of 81 (cumulative) 54 (since 2009) and positions in various societies and at various journals. I think the subject clearly qualifies for an article on WP, just not a resume like, primary sourced one filled with puffery. - - MrBill3 (talk) 04:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The Arizona Daily Star profile satisfies to me that he is notable, I removed many dead links that can be restored if the wayback machine caught them, but that will be a lot of work. If someone is a fan, ask him to release a photo with a cc-2.0 with attribution tag. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Phrasing that might be revised, content that might be added
I think the article needs a little encyclopedification. "completed his internship and residency training" could be "did his internship and residency". Is the chair where he did intern and res important to the subject? "and was subsequently followed his recruitment" doesn't make sense and the repeated use of recruitment seem unencyclopedic. "He later was recognized" to "He was" (is there a formal recognition for both funding and diversity?). "became the youngest" to "was the youngest". "staunch advocate" to "advocate". "several major academic leadership positions" do we need "several" and "major"? "top national ranking" needs source and wasn't Hopkins' pulm and crit care division top ranked before his tenure? "recruited to The" recruited seems... strike cap on The. "During his tenure" to "While at" ("he oversaw" rmv covered by while at?) "rising" to rose. No. then # uniform. "was named" to "became". "has focused on" and "which again has a large focus on" source? phrasing, secondary evaluation? "principal investigator of a program project grant, R01s, etc." encylopedic or over detailed? Are all editorial board member positions at journals notable? Likewise are the honorific societies listed all notable?

All that said, let me be clear I think the subject is an important figure in his field. His work has and continues to have an impact on the work I personally do (ICU RN). I'd like to see that teased out a little. What specific research accomplishments have played what part in the development of pulmonary and critical care medicine? My principle objection is the overall tone seems less encyclopedic (facts and secondary evaluations) and more CV like. I have not made the edits proposed above because I don't have a strong opinion on them. I am just trying to illustrate where the tone I perceive is coming from.

I think a selected publications section is in order. Some of his papers are very highly cited and some are cited in important papers, some seem foundational to certain approaches to pulm and crit care. A list and a discussion of certain papers would add the meat I'm looking for. I appreciate the recent work on the article. When I have access to some additional resources I will see what I can add. - - MrBill3 (talk) 09:54, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

References and quotes

 * 1) Text typed into a footnote as a quote does not provide verification, that requires actually consulting the sources themselves.
 * 2) Any editor can type in a quote and the veracity and accuracy of transcription is questionable. There are numerous examples and studies of transcription error rates and the degradation of content when transcribed. Paraphrasing and verification actually helps prevent this, both the original source and the paraphrase are read for meaning and compared.
 * 3) Presenting a transcribed quotation for each fact cited is not a standard in any encyclopedia or other publication (except possibly literary criticism). Look at Featured Articles, Good Articles or almost any article, look at other examples of encyclopedias in none of these will you find a format that reproduces the verbatim text for each fact cited.
 * 4) Reproduction of copyrighted text is potentially problematic on WP any steps we can take to minimize the chance of problems should be taken. Unless a quote provides information or context needed to support a fact it is unnecessary. An exception is highly controversial content for which a notes section with quotes is sometimes used.
 * 5) The presence of a parameter in the citation format does not preclude use of best practices. The existence of a parameter does not mean that parameter must be used. We don't use the "type" parameter to identify a magazine article as (magazine article). We don't give the publisher of a newspaper. The "laysource" parameter is not used to refer to a chemistry textbook chapter for citations from articles in chemistry journals.
 * 6) The reference list's purpose is to provide attribution and facilitate verification. Excess text in the reference list that does not contribute to that reduces the usability of the reference list. Note the definition of "reference". Note also there are many established standard reference formats. When these standard formats are employed textual quotation is rarely used. Most quality publications separate notes from references. Historically footnotes included textual quotation but that has changed as access to books etc. has become widespread.

Based on the six points above, and pending comment from involved editors, I will again remove the quotations from the references. Replacing them without discussion here and consensus is not in keeping with the widely supported essay WP:BRD.

References that point to dead links should not be deleted, see the guideline WP:Citing sources § Preventing and repairing dead links for how they should be handled. Replacing them with other sources that have currently available (hopefully more stable or pre-emptively archived) is acceptable. When not replaced sources with dead links should be marked with the Dead link template. Some measure of good faith is extended to the editor originally adding the content and references, however if no archived copy of the source exists it then fails to meet the "published" criteria (as explained here), does not qualify as a reliable source and is subject to removal. The Internet Archive is a good first stop to check for archived sources. - - MrBill3 (talk) 05:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have restored the quote parameter. Most of the references are just telephone book style information stating his title. By removing the quoted material you leave the impression that they are full biographical articles. If you want to remove the quote parameter lobby at the citation template talk page and we can remove them from all of Wikipedia. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 28 March 2019
Dear wiki editors,

I work for the University of Arizona in an effort to assist with Wikipedia pages. This page has been flagged, and we need assistance to be in compliance with Wikipedia's requirements. The page was flagged as being written like an advertisement with Conflict of Interest involvement and now is blocked as being a copyright concern. I do not know enough about Wikipedia to suggest edits, can you please assist with this matter. Thank you. Jkbb123 (talk) 16:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 2-APR-2019
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Hi Wikieditors,

I think I figured out the problem. The profile on the https://profiles.arizona.edu/person/skipgarcia webpage is an internal webpage for the University of Arizona. In an attempt to complete the biography for Dr. Garcia in the UA system, someone copied and pasted the information from his Wikipedia page. This has since been rectified and should be updated in the next day or two. If you look back on the history of Dr. Garcia's page, his page has been active since before he came to the UofA so the information was not copied from the UA page but rather the other way round. Can you please remove the copyright flag form his page? Thank you 150.135.214.160 (talk) 20:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Request edit on 09 April 2019
Wiki Editors,

The profile on the https://profiles.arizona.edu/person/skipgarcia web-page is an internal web-page for the University of Arizona. In an attempt to complete the biography for Dr. Garcia in the UofA system, someone copied and pasted the information from his Wikipedia page. This has since been rectified and should be updated in the next day or two. With this information, can you please remove the copyright flag from the page? Thank you for your assistance. Jkbb123 (talk) 22:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The same information was posted on the UC Hospitals bio page for Joe Garcia, U Chicago's bio page for Garcia, and U Chicago Medicine's biopage for Garcia, meaning if the content was taken from Wikipedia and placed on UofA's bio page, the same copying of information occurred at those sites as well. Portions of the copied text also still reside at other related Arizona.edu portals beyond the one you've mentioned. You've stated that the information was from before Garcia started at Arizona. But as the information also exists on UChicago servers, it may have originated from them, in which case we would need to hear from UChicago. At this point it would be best if you notified the editor who placed the template in the article,, to see how they would like to proceed. Regards, Spintendo  23:27, 9 April 2019 (UTC)


 * , : Personally I would revert back to this 2016 revision before, who is a single-purpose account for this article, started editing. Unfortunately, the Duplication Detector does not appear to be working and we don't know when or what was possibly copies from the wikipedia article to the U Chicago's bio page or when. It would be best to restart from a revision where only non-COI editors were editing. Then any additional edits can be reviewed and should only be added if supported by third-party reliable sources. If some of the additional prose added since 2016 can be clearly sourced elsewhere than the university bio, then I think it will likely be ok to readd. ww2censor (talk) 11:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your quick reply. Unfortunately, the April 2016 version still shows as matching UChicago's bio page. As it is unknown if the subject was working at UChicago in 2016, it still cannot be stated with certainty that this text originated from Wikipedia. We would need to hear from UChicago to determine whether that information existed on their servers at that time, or whether it was placed after 2016. Perhaps the COI editor could help with this matter. When was the subject working at UChicago? Spintendo  18:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Subject was working at the University of Chicago from 2005-2010. Please let me know if you need additional information to better assist you in cleaning up this page. Jkbb123 (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Who are you saying is the subject? Those dates really help s the page was created in 2009. On closer inspection there seem to be other WP:SPAs who may well also be COIs: User:UICOVCR, User:HealthSciChris, User:PathfinderE4 and an anonIP. Unfortunately, the one editor who has made several edits to the page, User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), is blocked. Someone needs to do a clean up but it's not my topic. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 22:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The subject of the Wikipedia page is Dr. Joe G. N. Garcia. Do you know of anyone I could contact that could help clean up the page since the editor is blocked? Thanks.

Jkbb123 (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit Questions 10 April 2019
Dear Spintendo,

Thank you for your quick response. I was hoping you could assist me with some questions as I am unfamiliar with Wikipedia editing.

1. How do I go about contacting Ww2censor to revert back to the 2016 bio page? 2. How will additional news and accomplishments since 2016 be updated on the profile? 3. There is no photo in the 2016 version, how can this be added?

I have included links for notable post-2016 achievements: Summer High School Program: https://www.nogalesinternational.com/community/rrhs-juniors-selected-for-ua-summer-program/article_a6ac2608-606b-11e8-bac8-5fa10b76a32b.html

UA Recruitment: https://tucson.com/news/local/education/college/triple-threat-ua-health-vp-to-earn-k-year/article_303e9a3e-cb28-5604-90f0-eec9dda203ee.html https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/joe-g-n-skip-garcia-appointed-ua-senior-vice-president-for-health-sciences

UA Leadership: https://tucson.com/news/science/joe-skip-garcia-gives-up-oversight-of-university-of-arizona/article_4c2632ac-1c6f-55ed-b334-1bbb8bc713b2.html https://tucson.com/news/local/education/college/supporters-come-to-defense-of-ua-health-chief-joe-skip/article_493cc3e8-ab42-5961-ae37-4db2e0cc92ee.html https://uaatwork.arizona.edu/lqp/dr-joe-g-n-skip-garcia-announces-new-name-discusses-goals-ua-health-sciences https://tucson.com/news/local/education/college/university-of-arizona-s-phoenix-medical-school-receives-full-accreditation/article_64a1da80-1866-5a51-a062-7cc04ecd261d.html https://tucson.com/news/dr-joe-g-n-skip-garcia-resigns-as-head-of/article_432738c2-bd81-11e6-b791-e718c15c1567.html

Grants: https://azbigmedia.com/ua-health-sciences-study-gets-11-4m-grant/ http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2016/07/ua-and-banner-receive-43-million-research-grant-from-nih https://tucson.com/news/local/university-of-arizona-to-have-a-role-in-national-all/article_1c7e7140-24c3-5830-bbb8-27bbbb590bad.html

Memberships & Awards: https://www.the-asci.org/controllers/asci/AsciProfileController.php?pid=160351 https://uaatwork.arizona.edu/lqp/awards-and-accolades-53 https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/uas-dr-skip-garcia-selected-trudeau-medal-recipient https://uaatwork.arizona.edu/lqp/awards-and-accolades-52

I appreciate your help with this matter.

Jkbb123 (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Please see the thread above. Spintendo  18:47, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Several of these links return the error: "451: Unavailable due to legal reasons", so are unreachable and most others are university associated links for are not independent third-party sources. ww2censor (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Request Edit May 3, 2019
Hello Wiki editors, I am still trying to assist with this Wikipedia page. Can someone please help with changes or know of anyone that I could contact who can make changes to remove the flags on the page. I really appreciate the help. Jkbb123 (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Instructions for dealing with the flags on the main article are placed within the flags themselves. Specifically, the copyright status of the text on the page must clarified by doing the following: Otherwise, you may write a new article without copyright-infringing material. Regards, Spintendo  19:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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