Talk:Joe Montana/Archive 1

College Career
Not a word is uttered about his college career. Nouseforaname312 19:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
FYI, over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League, we're working out the infobox issue, so it may be a little volatile for a few days while we work out the kinks and come to a compromise. Feedback is quite welcome. --Arcadian 22:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Super Bowl Issue
This issue has been addressed in the final paragraph of the article. There's no need to expound on it ad nauseum and introduce blatant POV commentary. It's an encyclopedia - not the Weekly World News. Hey Czabe, shut the hell up.

added stats
i added some stats up in here where i figured they should go(NFL records/statistics, before life after NFL) but i wondered if it messed up the flow of the article and so i posted this short statement describing my predicament.-Nod 22:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Links?
Anyone have external links to the 1999 Sporting News list and the 2004 TSN list?

More info
For one the of the greatest qbs ever he has only a paragraph to represent him at KC and the 49ers.

Who's Running this Nonsense??
What idiot let a Montana hater use this as his SoapBox to give Montana a kick in the balls by posting up that bullsh!t story about the SuperBowl. It was proven to be a lie, and last time I checked.. Encyclopedias dont talk about Gossip.. they base their Articles on FACTS. The pathetic admin losers that run this bullsh!t are a fuck!ng Joke.

New Eagle/Monongahela/Pittsburgh/Mon River/Pennsylvania etc.
Can we come to a consensus that JM is from New Eagle/Monongahela which are Pittsburgh suburbs/industrial centers and part of the Pittsburgh Tri-State famous for producing great football talent. Interested in hearing other views on this but I think that approach is the best for people searching for as much knowledge as possible about JM's origins. Thanks Hholt01 10:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if I may interject... I live in Monongahela, PA. We, nor New Eagle, are NOT suburbs of Pittsburgh. Monongahela is it's own City, and New Eagle is a seperate burough(sp). Thanks. User:Lawrence142002

Lawrence, check with every fed and state stat available, even other Wiki pages, there is a Pittsburgh Metro Area a Pittsburgh DMA and a Pittsburgh District all of which include New Eagle and Mon City. If that is in error let them know directly and also please turn your TV off, unsubscribe to papers, unplug the radio, cease any air travel and don't get too sick, you will have to travel or use Pittsburgh resources for any of these functions, these are some of the key stats that federal agencies use in including New Eagle in "Pittsburgh metro". Thanks Hholt01 05:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

We're in the Pittsburgh area, but I live here... We're not even in the same county. I'm saying it is an error to call us "Suburbs" of Pittsburgh. Monongahela is its own city, no matter how small or rinky-dink this place may be, it is still a "city" in the loosest terms. Previously, this article listed New Eagle as a suburb of Pittsburgh, which it isn't. I live here, I oughta know. Thanks.


 * To me this is a semantical argument, McKeesport and Duquesne are CITIES, but in no way are they a Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle or Atlanta, they are suburbs of Pittsburgh. County lines have very little to do with anything since metros are determined by the feds and county lines are determined by the state and its underlings, the state can draw anything they want the feds don't care.  If it works better for you I will continue to refer to the areas as "cities" in the Pittsburgh Metro Area or the like, I can agree that to some without geographic knowledge "suburb" is a gated community with pools and a Giant Eagle store something out of the Stepford Wives, which Mon City is most defintely NOT.  So I'll keep it factual and will omit the cultural confusion that might come with "suburb".  Mon City is as much Pittsburgh though as Greentree, Sharpsburg or McKees Rocks.  Interested in hearing your thoughts, thanks. Hholt01 00:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree with what you're getting at. All I was disagreeing with was the use of the term "Suburb". Suburb also would've implied we pay the same taxes that the people living in the city as well as McKeesport or Oakland or wherever else pay the same taxes, which we don't. Prime example is the sales tax. We even have a post office here in Monongahela, a Mayor, (Which suburbs of Pittsburgh wouldn't have) and we have our own council. That's what I'm trying to get across, and that's the point I'm making. Mon City is as much Pittsburgh as anyplace in this area. Just the use of the term suburb in this instance is/was incorrect. Thanks. User:Lawrence142002

picture
Can someone put up an appropriate picture? Thanks. Epeefleche 17:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Joe Schmoe????
As far as I remember his nickname was Joe Cool, not Joe Schmoe. 63.194.196.33 14:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Pro Bowl is not a post-season accomplishment
The Pro Bowl is the All-Star game of football. It is not a post-season event, as that refers to the playoffs. It just happens to be played after the regular season in football, but it's no different than the all-star game in any other professional sport. Therefore, "8 Pro Bowls" does not belong in the "Post-season records and statistics" subheading. Hero27 00:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Post-Retirement
No info on here about what he's done with his life after retiring from playing. I don't know much about him so I don't know - has he gone into coaching, or work in the media - or nothing at all? Anyone who knows could they please add a bit of info? Thanks. --Mike Infinitum 19:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Noticed a few things in the trivia - how about adding this into the main article as a posr-playing paragraph? --Mike Infinitum 19:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Not the first double AP MVP winner
Montana was also the first player in league history to win 2 Associated Press MVP awards, which he did for the 1989 and 1990 seasons.

Maybe he was the first to win the AP MVP twice in a row, but Jim Brown, who became the first AP MVP in 1957, won the title again in 1965. Respectfully, SamBlob 21:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Cleanup
I'm starting an article cleanup. I will move content here that might want to reincorporated as we start to fix this thing up. Jmfangio ► Talk 07:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Media Request
It would be nice to accent this article with a few images. If anyone can upload some, it would be greatly appreciated. At the very least, it would be nice to get pictures of Montana while he was in college, on the 49ers, and on the Chiefs. Jmfangio| ►Chat 12:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced addition

 * The following text was recently added, but without citation -
 * Against the University of Southern California, Notre Dame's primary rival, he led a memorable comeback, but lost because of a problematic play. Notre Dame came into this game with an 8-2 record, having won eight straight after dropping their first two games. For three quarters, USC moved the ball at will and was overwhelming the Irish. Trailing 24-6, Irish quarterback Joe Montana found his touch in the fourth quarter and led a spectacular comeback which saw Notre Dame take a 25-24 lead with 45 seconds remaining. Aided by a questionable call, the Trojans moved into field goal range and with four seconds left, Frank Jordan drilled the game winner. Montana would work his magic one last time in the Cotton Bowl.
 * If someone can find a good citation, that would be great. We can rework it back into the article. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  21:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture request
Does anyone else think we need a picture of Montana in his playing years (preferably as a 49er, though I wouldn't mind a Chief picture where appropriate)? WAVY 10 14:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Look about two sections up :-). Also, i did some minor adjusting to your edits.  The sectioning of the 49ers career is a great idea, i just made the titles a little less POV.  Also, I think it's a good idea to clarify the jersey #s....but we probably want to look at adjusting the template rather than adding in line breaks....i'll mention it on that talk page. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  15:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, but I didn't see it. WAVY 10 19:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Nickname
Per the recent content dispute - I have had the luxury of being the primary editor of the article in recent months. In all of my research, I have not seen one example of Montana where he is referred to as "Comeback Joe Montana" or even just "Comeback Joe". Therefor, it is hard to say that if he was ever referred to as Comeback Joe - that it was done so on a widescale basis and throughout his career. A recent edit summary said that the Notre Dame newspaper is the source. I think if that is verifiable - then we need a citation. Additionally, as it is clear that the name was not used during his professional career - i would suggest that it is worked into the section about his time at Notre Dame and not the lead section. Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 23:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

A reference was added for the "Comeback Joe" and "Big Sky" nicknames (where did Big Sky come from??), but the source cited only mentions the "Joe Cool" nickname, so I've removed so that only that one remains. 165.189.169.190 (talk) 19:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

"Big Sky" is a reference to "Big Sky Country," a nickname for the state of Montana, and refers to Joe's capability of throwing long and accurate passes (cf. a skateboarder's or BMXer's getting "mad air"). 66.171.231.226 (talk) 04:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)EtymologyKing

Fair use rationale for Image:Clark si cover.jpg
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Edits 2/09
Edits made today intend to a) fix some of the more pronounced errors of punctuation (though some remain for later repair), and b) begin to make the language WP:NPOV by removing fanzine and sports article expressions and replacing them with neutral language appropriate to an encyclopedia.Sensei48 (talk) 06:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Joe's Home...
Joe is from Monongahela NOT New Eagle. He grew up on Park ave ("One Extraordinary Street" movie) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.182.173.141 (talk) 05:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article says he grew up in Monogahela. The distinction is that he was born in New Eagle. —C.Fred (talk) 16:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

new eagle is the tail-end of "monongahela". so yeah, no difference there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.122.11.222 (talk) 23:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

North Carolina?
The article states that Dean Smith offered Joe a basketball scholarship to North Carolina. I haven't found this documented anywhere else. Can someone provide some cite for it? Johnskrb2 (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Greatest ever
A recent magazine listed Montana as #1 in their 50 (I think) greatest quarterbacks ever. Does anyone have the info to cite this? --12.106.209.61 (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Personal Relationships
I would be interested in some discussion about his relationship with Steve Young. I have heard that he; 1) would not speak to him; 2) did not invite him to his retirement party; 3) refused to allow Young to play in the Super Bowl wins specifically so Young would not get a ring (you have to be on the field for one play to qualify for a Super Bowl ring). Any sourced information on these issues would be appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigdatut (talk • contribs) 18:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * while a small discussion of the animosity between the two quarterbacks might be useful, I'm not sure how much of that is true or can even be verified. For example, your third point is completely false; the first Super Bowl the 49ers won with Young as a backup finished with Joe Montana's 92 yard drive, so there is no reason for Young to have been in the game. The Super Bowl win the next year was a blow out over the Broncos, and Young did in fact play most of the fourth quarter. Plus, if you look at the Super Bowl Ring page on Wikipedia, it notes that Young has 3 rings (two of them as Montana's backup, meaning he received one for that first game even though he did not play). In fact, being on the field is not even a qualification for the ring, as you for some reason state. Even players on injured reserve have received rings. Anyway, the best this page could probably offer is the discussion of the quarterback controversy between the two. 70.64.111.12 (talk) 19:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Needs updating - some info (residence, etc.) is now incorrect per 7/2010 - source included
Montana no longer lives in Thousand Oaks, has relocated to the 41rst floor of the new Millenium Tower in downtown San Francisco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Tower_(San_Francisco)

Joe Montana no longer owns any horses etc.

All the above can be verified and more useful info can be added from this source / piece in the SF Chronicle

here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/06/MN0O1CLQ4L.DTL

which is a current (July 6, 2010) interview with Joe Montana. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davequ (talk • contribs) 00:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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