Talk:Joe Orton/Archive 1

Lovers?
The article heavily implies that Orton and Halliwell were lovers, but doesn't specifically say one way or the other. Is this unknown, or can we clarify somehow? Dvyost 22:19, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Orton and Halliwell were lovers. I'll clarify on page. Martin Hinks 14:45, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Page appears to contain copied info
Much of this article seems to be copied from John Lahr's Prick Up Your Ears, Orton's biography....

We should either credit it as such with proper references (re-writing most of it and just using quotes for backup) or re-write it entirely.

If no-one comments I will procede with this in 2 days. Martin Hinks 14:54, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Over-Zealous and Inconsistent Editing
It appears that a lot of links which have been previously inserted, by a number of contributors, have recently been deleted with little thought for how it could affect the understanding of the article: remember - not everyone is familiar with the subject or the parochialisms of its context. If a link has nothing to do with the subject of the article and would add nothing to its understanding, then it's fair enough to remove it - otherwise, please leave well alone. If a link leads to an article which hasn't been written yet, then perhaps it might act as a spur to someone who is able to write that article, which would be to everyone's benefit. If a link leads to a simple noun or verb, again please leave it - some readers might be genuinely unaware what that word means and if a definition is available on Wikipedia, then I feel it's perfectly valid to link to it. Finally, if you're still determined to remove links, then please be consistent at least - it's very irritating to see some years linked and others not (despite there being articles available to link to) and words being linked in one part and not in the other... user:172.216.206.53 10.16 September 14, 2005 (UTC)

"These accounts are disputed"
"These accounts were strongly disputed in the later Because We're Queers by Simon Shepherd."

Er, what accounts? Pending some further information I took this line out of the article. If someone knows something substantive about the alleged disputes and they're pertinent to the article, please add them. Otto4711 17:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Cottaging
A whole article on Joe Orton and not one mention of cottaging? From this article you would hardly even know that Joe was gay let alone had one of histories most famous and notable sex lives which informed all of his work and public persona. Im not asking for a list of all his rough trade but something should be done. Jocasta shadow 11:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles' miscellanea
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Modern pederasty?
Orton has been added to the category 'Modern pederasty', yet nothing in the article explains why this should be. If Orton is to be added to the category, surely there should also be something in the article which explains why this is the case. -- Mal 20:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Spent his holidays in Tangier - does that count? PiCo 05:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't believe so. I think you'd have to demonstrate some kind of ideological commitment to the notion, rather than the occassion dabbling. DionysosProteus 03:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ideological commitment? Do you need an ideological commitment to masturbation to be a wanker? --OhNoPeedyPeebles 10:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Clearly not; however, to use such an archaic and obtuse word as pederasty is something different. To use the term carries ideological baggage, not least about a desire to erase the specificy of the modern formation of sexual identities and their discourse of practices by means of a superficial and patently indefensible 'the pederasts have always been with us' analogy. Pederasty carries with it an entire discourse of assumptions about the nature of identity and of what is transacted in any particular sexual encounter; even the way we think of 'men' and 'boys' is utterly different now, and to use the term 'pederasty' to describe an imagined historical continuity is nonsense. Orton wasn't a pederast; he just had sex with a handful of teenagers while on holiday once. DionysosProteus 13:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)