Talk:Joel Moon

Norths
I was just goin by what it already says in the article.--Jeff79 (talk) 20:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My bad, must have missed it as I was concentrating on the early years section Mattlore (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

lb & NZ Warriors fixed
Placing of lb and unnecessary shortening of the New Zealand Warriors fixed. If they still need attention please indicate that they do so here.Fleets (talk) 20:22, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * In your version his height is given with imperial units preceding metric but his weight is given with metric preceding imperial. In my version imperial units lead in both his height and weight for the plainly obvious reasons of aesthetic consistency and his current WP:TIES with Britain. And don't try to replicate the discussion around 'NZ Warriors' which you're already attempting at Talk:John Carlaw.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:38, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * MOS trumps the addition of the uncited way of displaying the pound. If the MOS needs changing then I'd say take your fight to them and have at them.Fleets (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I just don't understand what any of that means. You're supposed to be defending your apparent preference for inconsistency in unit order within the article's Infobox rugby league biography as described above. If you can't, then you should self-revert to my version.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 20:58, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't help you then. If I were you I would break the sentence down and if you need to guess, because the sentence can't really get any simpler. I'm not sure what you think I'm supposed to be doing, but consistency is being fought for by me, as I am seeking to maintain the status quo, not add an extra lb into the mix.Fleets (talk) 21:11, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, so if you won't defend your edit, will you now please revert it?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You've lost yourself there, to what am I defending myself against; the rejection of the implementation of an alien unit that trumps the cited weight. That in itself it grounds for removal, not for it to be given prominence to suit an aesthetic requirement on your part.Fleets (talk) 21:24, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

As I suspected, the use of Convert's "flip" parameter in the infobox's "height" parameter but not in its "weight" parameter is indefensible. As such I'll be going back to User:Michael Glass's long-standing version that uses it in both.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 21:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If you were to add miles to a players height, I would raise the issue with an argument along the similar theme. The order of imperial and metric is an aesthetic one at worst with arguments over imperial and metric that are wikipedia based and the world over. I'm not overly bothered about that, or the order of imperial and metric, but the move away from the status quo and to then supplant an existing unit is highly questionable.Fleets (talk) 21:41, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You continue to stubbornly insist on mismatching the order of metric/imperial units for the height and weight in this article's infobox. You have maintained complete silence on the question of why it is you're doing this. How on earth can it be perceived as anything but disruptive?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 07:51, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * See the comment above by Fleets. I have genuinely no idea what you are talking about, are you admitting to being intentionally disruptive?Fleets (talk) 07:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I provided a diff and everything. You're obviously self-destructing again. I'll see what I can do to help.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 08:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Genuinely lost you there, but help is needed to resolve this, that much can be agreed upon.Fleets (talk) 08:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Inconsistent order of units.
I have fixed the dead link with a reference to the player profile in the Leeds Rhinos website. I really can't understand why there is an inconsistent display of units, with the player's height in feet and inches first and his weight in kilograms first. I believe that the player's height and weight should be metric first. I can't see why there should be any dispute about this question. Michael Glass (talk) 16:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The player is Australian, and Australia uses the metric system.
 * Leeds Rhinos gives his height and weight only in metric measures.
 * The query was raised with a stand alone lb being added into the mix, and where that was to feature. I have been involved in discussions and have offered that I have no preference over metric or imperial. I simply don't think a unit which is alien as a stand-alone unit, to the sport in the UK and Australia has the right to supplant ones that are frequently used. Given that he is Australian, and the link displays a metric link it makes sense for a metric and imperial order. The kg - lb - stlb is opposed as it is not sourced, not MOS, is a move away from the standard and not a relevant weight display to any rugby league playing country bar the USA. The kg - stlb - lb or stlb - kg - lb is also fine for a USA or any national rugby league player IMO.Fleets (talk) 17:55, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

I think your latest two edits are an improvement. I have no strong opinion on double conversions. MOSNUM says, "a double conversion may be appropriate" so it's not compulsory. Most player profiles don't have double conversions and I really don't think it's necessary, but as it's been done in this case, I'd let it stand. I hope that's something we can all live with. Michael Glass (talk) 01:22, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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