Talk:Joel Rosenberg (science fiction author)

Sounds like whoever wrote the piece on me has been paying attention; good job.

-- Joel Rosenberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.254.205 09:26 (talk • contribs), 20 August 2003

"Minnesota Carry Permit Training With Joel Rosenberg" link
Isn't this a different Joel Rosenberg? It makes no mention of his books, so I'm thinking it's not the same kind. It should probably be deleted.
 * Never mind. I guess it is.  I didn't think he was that nutty.  Oh well, I still like his books...
 * Back in the 1990s, Joel Rosenberg posted quite extensively on guns, gun safety, politics and other issues on Usenet. It would be easy to pull up any number of quotes if somebody wanted to do a "Joel Rosenberg on Guns/Politcs/etc" section, but it's not clear that there is much demand for it. Ahasuerus 22:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think the page is probably fine the way it is. I was just surprised by that bit of info, as he never mentioned it in the short bio that accompanies his books, although to be fair my copies are quite old.  Biff Loman 20:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading his Guardians books, it should be fairly obvious that Mr. Rosenberg knows quite a bit about guns. In the manufacturing of the "Home" guns, the author goes into different firing systems, including Matchlock, Flintlock, and Wheel lock.  He also goes into the different types of powders and primers used through history.  This is much more detail then would be normal (or even needed), which shows his appreciation for firearms (and safe handling of firearms is shown throughout the series as well).  69.29.100.45 15:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

"Home" guns, Usenet
I also saw Joel Rosenberg on Usenet (when it still was worth something...), and the encounter kept me from reading the "Guardian" books for 15 years - probably a good thing, don't know whether I could have enjoyed them the way I do now.

Fun thing about "Home"-guns: Riccetti jump-starts from flintlock, bypassing match- and wheel-lock. The next generation are smokeless-powder revolvers with brass cartridges, double action and a modified "Ruger transfer bar"-type safety (quotation from #6 or #7), again bypassing 150 years of technical history (caplock, caplock revolver, teatfire, ignition needle, black-powder cartridges, single-action revolvers). Yes, Joel Rosenberg obviously knows his firearms. But even his critics give him that his carry courses offer sound advice to prospects ("what to do if attacked (run); and the legal ramifications of shooting someone (very sticky, apparently, and thoroughly discouraged). Rosenberg's advice on this last point seems eminently sensible--even if (to take a hypothetical) you think that the Minnesota Personal Protection Act is insane, and that its Republican supporters are a horde of jackbooted theocrats." http://www.citypages.com/2003-06-18/books/a-hello-to-arms/2/).

If some postings of him on the Usenet can be retrieved and linked, I think that would be quite interesting; but one should be fair. Then, nobody thought about DejaNews, and - we all - banged away on our keyboards, discussing heatedly, cussing without the "dis", flaming, invoking Goodwin's law (and before the Sex-SPAM flooding still holding a better civilisation level than in "Web 2.0", keeping Usenet something worth reading)... I don't know whether this is really printable, restraints and putting on masks like in today's Internet were not that common, as nobody thought the Internet would involve into that horse fair with can-can dancers it is today. (Getting old. Showing signs of nostalgia.) Bottom line: Joel Rosenberg's Usenet postings - ANY Usenet postings - of the 90s should not be compared to press releases and blog postings in the more restrained Web 2.0 now. --User1812011 (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

"Mysteries
As one of the biggest fans (both in weight and degree of interest) of Joel's SF and Fantasy, I wasn't thrilled when I heard/saw/read somewhere that he was writing mysteries. I have always had a bit of an interest in mysteries but they were nevera a major staple of my diet. However, I read HOME FRONT and it was very good. It was easily as good a job of writing, qua writing, as Joel has ever done and that is not faint praise. And it is honest, so it isn't feint praise either. On the other hand, I don't think it's a mystery. It's a problem-solving novel in the same sense as John D. McDonald's Travis McGee series. Not a bad thing at all but not, strictly speaking a mystery. I will pick up FAMILY MATTERS soon. Good work, Joel. Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 18:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Joel Rosenberg Arrested
Everyone's favorite right wing nutjob fantasy author has been arrested and jailed, apparently. Maybe this should be added to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.124.139.149 (talk) 12:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've known Joel for years; he is not a right-wing nutjob in the Scott Walker tradition; he's more nuanced than that (regardless about what I think of the hoplophile obsession). -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC) (left-wing nutjob, in some people's opinion)

Family Matters II
Deleted:
 *  As of September 16, 2010, he is working on "Family Matters II", a nonfiction mystery, in collaboration with Walter Slovotsky.


 * Walter Slovotsky is a character in Guardians of the Flame, as the website itself confirms ("With the possible exception of me, this is all real"). He is an avatar of Robert Heinleins Lazarus Long or David Gerrold's Solomon Short. In the books, he delivers witticisms.
 * The website http://www.familymattersii.com/ declares it was a "non-fiction book"; it seems to be a blog of Mr Rosenberg describing his arrest and trial in the form of an advertisement website for a non-existing book.
 * I don't know where the "September 16, 2010" part comes from; archive.org doesn't have a backlog of the site. But from all I see from the website, "Family Matters II" is NOT a book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.165.60.65 (talk) 04:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Death
I've just received word from Joel's wife that he died on June 2, 2011, a day after suffering a respiratory depression that caused a heart attack, anoxic brain damage and major organ failure. I'm not updating the page yet. Shsilver (talk) 13:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Arrest
Can someone update the section on his arrest to include the results of the trial? 73.186.162.89 (talk) 05:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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