Talk:Joey Ramone

what about his face
i heard he had a humidifier explode in his face,thats why hes face was all jacked up and hidden behind hairs

I work for Joey's family and am attempting to add facts and content that will make this page more accurate and better represent my client and friend (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

At the Capitol Theater in Passaic NJ a humidifier shot some steam into his face. He went to the hospital after the show and was fully recovered withing 2 weeks (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

come on hyman its not his real name
 * Indeed, Jeffry Hyman was Joey's birth name. Hyman is a somewhat common Jewish surname, as it's the Americanized version of Heiman. Air.dance 00:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

You both are wrong - per his birth certificate it was Jeffrey Hyman (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

could i please ask what happened to the picture of joey ramone?- this article seems to be getting a lot smaller by day(or maybe its the missing picture that has made me believe so!)

also, in the imbd website, it says joey ramone is actually 6ft3in and not 6ft6in,despite famous belief!imbd isnt usually wrong on these things,or they shouldnt have written what his height was in the first place (the fact that they have written a different height to that famously given by amateur websites,shows they must have done good research,or have asked him personally)

Joey was 6'3", NOT 6'6" as some accounts report. And yes, what happened to the pix on this page?!Willerror 18:46, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Per his NYC drivers license Joey was 6' 6". Please remove Marfan Syndrome - neither Mickey or I know what that is - he never had it. Also The Estate owns plenty of great photos - versus the not so great one featured - and would be happy to post it free of copyright (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Discography
Since all Ramones releases feature Joey, shouldn't we refer people to the Ramones discography instead of duplicating it here? Nareek 12:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Infertility
Does anybody know why Joey Ramone was born sterile? 121.208.44.211 02:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard anything authorized or reputable on this subject. I'm relieved to see that it has, at most recent editing of this page, been removed. Sounds like a bunch of hearsay, and on an incredibly sensitive personal subject in the guy's life, no less.Illusi0nist 21:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

He was not born sterile -(Joeysmanager (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com--Joeysmanager (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I've seen this allegation before from other sources, but what was the basis for it in the first place? As far as I know, he was never married and never attempted to have children. How is any male even aware they are infertile without a sperm count being taken? --Richiestern (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

citation help
I know how to remove all the citation needed bits, but I have no idea how to cite it from End Of The Century(the film). Please Help.--Nishad 06:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Citing films is tricky. Do you have the film on DVD?  If so, you can cite it like this .  I realise this is a pain, but I don't think we have figured out a better system yet.  Jkelly 06:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

"Looks just like Howard Stern"....this isn't unbiased,is it? Maybe others fail to see the resemblance?

Joey's stage name
Does anybody know if the name comes from Joey Levine specifically, or a song he penned named "Quick Joey Small"? - Deathrocker 16:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

OCD
the article says ge had a obsessive-compulsive disorder.what was he obsessive about?Music? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.8.69.18 (talk) 04:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

His symptoms included counting, repeating steps, and other things probably not disclosed because, frankly, the poor guy and his family wanted a little privacy about something so personal. Watch "End of the Century" for Mickey Leigh's statement on the subject.Illusi0nist 21:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

This was a disease which he privately overcame. Is it important that this is highlighted? (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the OCD is important, as this is a biographical piece meant to paint a full picture of the artist. I've added a reference to it. If you can provide a sourced reference for the fact that Joey overcame his OCD on his own, I think that should be added, as it certainly amplifies a strength of character. --Mr. Stein (talk) 00:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Not crosslinked to Jewish American musicians
Any reason why Joey (Jeff Hyman) is not listed as a Jewish American musician? Under either his birth name or his Ramone name?

r —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.0.116.149 (talk) 17:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Confusion
"He was listening to the song "In a Little While" by U2 when he died.[4] This was during U2's Elevation Tour, and from that point on during shows Bono would introduce the song as a tune that was originally about a lovestruck hangover but that Joey turned it into a gospel song."

This makes no sense.

Bono wrote the song as a lovestruck hangover. Joey's brother Mickey put Bono on the phone with Joey just before his passing and Bono played him the new song. Joey loved it and called is a gospel song and passed very soon after that. (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if this should be added to the article, but that night U2 was playing in Portland, Oregon and dedicated "walk on" to Joey - not in a little while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.201.134.186 (talk) 21:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Marfan Syndrome
(from above) "Um, i read 'On the road with the Ramones" through and through, and never came over that particular thing. it says over and over that he was 6'6, and nothing was said about having "marfan sydnrome".his brother has long limbs and is tall, but maybe has a slower matabolism, which makes him look bigger. but i wouldnt say Joey had any disorder...


 * Thirded and I just deleted the Marfan reference. I knew Joey and his family a bit, and once very specifically asked Joey's brother Mickey if Joey had Marfan syndrome.  He'd never even heard of it.  So I'm not saying it's impossible he had this, but if he did it was undiagnosed.  Not signing my real name as this was many years ago and it's *possible* (though I think unlikely) that I remember wrong, and I don't want Mickey getting angry at me if that's the case.  But if for some reason this becomes a contentious issue I'll come back and put my real name if that helps.  Hope this info. is useful.

Also just wanted to mention that Joey always did seem several inches taller than he claimed he was. I seem to recall that he said he was 6'3" but he always seemed more like 6'8" to me. Standing next to him, Mickey, and Andy Shernoff felt like you'd fallen into a hole -- very weird! :-)Ramona Little

Per his NYC drivers license he was 6' 6".

Marfan Syndrome is not deleted and is totally and factually incorrect. Tell me what it will take to remove this, I will get the doctor to write a letter - you name it. (Joeysmanager (talk) 01:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)) Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagement.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 01:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Marfan Syndrome often goes undiagnosed. Someone probably just made the assumption based on personal experience with it. ;; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.229.247 (talk) 19:10, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

I no longer see a reference to Marfan Syndrome, though there was a People with Marfan category at the bottom that I've just deleted. --Mr. Stein (talk) 00:37, 16 April 2011

Early Life
The "early life" info submitted here by (talk) 01:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC) has been incorporated. Thus I've deleted it from this Discussion.--Mr. Stein (talk) 00:29, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Ramones
Ramones Hyman was said to be the "heart and soul" of the Ramones, and his favorite songs from their repertoire were often the ballads and love songs. C.J. Ramone called him the "hippie of the group."[3]

Johnny said that, not C.J. Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagment.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Hyman did not speak to guitarist John Cummings (Johnny Ramone) for many years. This animosity began when Cummings "stole" Hyman's girlfriend Linda, whom Cummings later married. Cummings discusses this animosity in End of the Century: The Story of the Ramones. The documentary also claims that this love triangle prompted Hyman to write "The KKK Took My Baby Away" for the Pleasant Dreams album. They also were strongly averse to each other's politics, Hyman being a liberal while Cummings was a staunch conservative. The pair never truly resolved their differences.

Again - this is likely for better minds than mine. This is titled Ramones - why is it solely about conflict between Joey and Johnny? Possibly it could reflect the title and address the accomplishments of the band, possibly this from the Wikipedia Ramones page?

Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagment.com --Joeysmanager (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The Ramones' minimalist, loud, fast musical style was influenced by pop music that the band members grew up listening to in the 1950s and 1960s, such as The Beach Boys, The Beatles, The Kinks, The Ronettes, The Rolling Stones as well as what are now known as proto-punk bands like The Stooges and the New York Dolls.[32][33][34] It was also a reaction against the bombastic, complex, and heavily produced pop and rock music -- ranging from Led Zeppelin to progressive rock, as well as the smooth sounds of Los Angeles studio musicians later termed yacht rock -- which dominated the charts in the 1970s. The Ramones were considered leaders in the punk rock scene,[1] although others considered them power pop[35] or pop punk.[36][13] This Sound also influenced the sound in the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal scene with metal bands such as Motörhead and Iron Maiden. The Ramones' later 1980s career also veered into hardcore punk territory, integrated into albums like Too Tough to Die and Halfway to Sanity. The Ramones' art and visual imagery complemented the themes of their music and performance. The band members adopted a uniform look of long hair, leather jackets, t-shirts, torn jeans, and sneakers. This fashion emphasized minimalism, which was a powerful influence on the New York punk scene of the 1970s and reflected the band's short, simple songs.[39] Tommy Ramone recalled that, both musically and visually, "we were influenced by comic books, movies, the Andy Warhol scene, and avant-garde films. I was a big Mad Magazine fan myself."[39]

The Ramones' first British concert was held on July 4, 1976. Prior to the performance, the band hung out with fans who turned out to be members of the Sex Pistols and The Clash. During the meeting Paul Simonon claimed The Clash had not played a show yet because they felt they were not good enough, to which Johnny Ramone responded, "We stink. You don't have to be good, just get out there and play".[23] Later that day The Clash would play their first show.[42] Likewise another band who met with the Ramones that day, The Damned, played their first show two days later.[43] Similarly, early Ramones concerts in California inspired early California punk groups like Black Flag, The Descendents, The Germs, the Dead Kennedys,[44] Bad Religion,[45] and Social Distortion. Bands such as Screeching Weasel, The Vindictives, The Queers, The Huntingtons, The Mr. T Experience, John Cougar Concentration Camp and the Beatnik Termites have all recorded covers of entire Ramones albums; including Ramones, Leave Home, Rocket to Russia, File Under Ramones, Road to Ruin, ""Too Tough to Die" and Pleasant Dreams, respectively.

Green Day members have gone as far as naming their children in honor of the band. Billie Joe Armstrong named his son Joey as tribute to Joey Ramone.

Dave Frey 917-282-0852 dave@silentpartnermanagment.com--Joeysmanager (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

The Clash played their first show July 4th 1976, opening for The Sex Pistols. Neither band was at that show as it was roughly 3.5 to 4 hours away from London. http://homepage.mac.com/blackmarketclash/Bands/Clash/Clash%20gigography/1976%20DATES.html Them being there is just a myth. http://homepage.mac.com/blackmarketclash/Bands/Clash/recordings/1976_77/76-00-00%20clippings/The%20birth%20of%20The%20Clash%20-%20Features,%20Music%20-%20The%20Independent.pdf--68.192.64.220 (talk) 04:46, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Joey Ramone "American Tenors"
I don't think Joey Ramone should be listed as a tenor, or categorized as one. As this own page mentions, check out "somebody put something in my drink" and "mama's boy", or really any songs where Joey is singing. Not only is the range not even close to a tenor, but his voice is has the darkness and weight of a baritone, and seems to be sung with a baritone like passaggio. An untrained tenor can hit a high G with a fair amount of shoutiness, but he never got any where close from what I know. Every aspect of his voice seems to say baritone, I don't know why he's considered a tenor on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.127.7 (talk) 17:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

If you want to hear a tenor in the Ramones, Dee Dee Ramone would often do vocals, and he is a tenor, or at least way higher than Joey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.127.7 (talk) 17:07, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Politics
From what I have read and heard, Joey Romone's political beliefs were left-liberal (in the American sense), not socialist. Left-liberalism and socialism are not the same thing. Nevertheless, until reliable references are provided, his alleged political beliefs should probably be left out of the article.Spylab (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty much everything I have ever read about Ramone states his politics are the exact opposite. Ramone was almost certainly not a "left-liberal".72.49.235.222 (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes he WAS a left-wing liberal! Not a socialist! Johnny was a Right-wing Republican. Not Joey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 10:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Part of the confusion may be Joey's song called Maria Bartiromo, named after a conservative reporter on Fox Business. Baroness Samedi (talk) 03:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Schizophrenia
According to Mickey Leigh's book I Slept with Joey Ramone: A Family Memoir, Joey also had schizophrenia. Shouldn't this be added to the article? BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 08:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Depends on the credibility of the claim. Was this a diagnosis by a doctor, or just his brother's opinion? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 11:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The book talks about him being diagnosed after he pulled a knife on his mother as a teenager. It even has an excerpt of the official report: "The patient essentially sees himself with low self-esteem, as a combination of being both dangerous and in danger, approaching the unfamiliar with considerable caution and suspicion, frequently employing poor judgement in the process. His sense of self is of a passive, dependent person with ambivalent sexual identification, against which he is inclined to defend himself by means of distancing maneuvers to the point of estrangement. His view of authority is markedly fearful, feeling his life to be in danger . . . The patient's personality structure is consistent with diagnosis of schizophrenia, paranoid type with minimal brain damage (the latter probably of long-standing duration)." I think that's pretty credible. BLAguyMONKEY! (talk) 11:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Parasitic twin
This page includes the claim that Joey Ramone had a parasitic twin at birth. This claim is sourced to Marky Ramone's book. However, Joey Ramone's brother, Mickey Leigh, states in his book I Slept With Joey Ramone that his brother was born with a teratoma attached to his tailbone. This is not the same as a parasitic twin and a congenital teratoma on the tailbone is a more common condition, though it affects females more than males. I would consider Leigh's information to be more reliable as he had access to his brother's medical records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.142.216 (talk) 06:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)