Talk:Johannes S. Andersen

Death year
Not that it counts in the editing of the article, but I'm inclined to trust 1970 over 1968. After all, one of the citations is an interview of the subject from 26 October 1968. The article from 1 November 1968 is a book review, meaning that Bjørn Bjørnsen released his book in the late autumn, and I think the NBL biographer (which is Bjørn Bjørnsen) would have known it (probably through personal contact) if Johannes Andersen had died within 1-2 months of the book release. Geschichte (talk) 08:31, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That was pretty much what I thought too. Especially seeing as Bjørnsen seems to have known Andersen personally. But, you know, when different sources say different things then that's what we gotta write. Manxruler (talk) 16:45, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course. Geschichte (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

FYI. The grave site database DIS lists his death year as 1970. It is not possible to link directly to the entry but you can search for ID number 1821499. The website is probably not a reliable source though, but the facts probably comes from the churches database. Would a a tombstone be considered a reliable source for a death year? Rettetast (talk) 00:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually this page says that the data is from "Kirkevergens database" so it should be considered reliable. Rettetast (talk) 00:42, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. And I think a photo of the tombstone would be very useful to have in the article. How do we go about citing this database as a source for 1970 as a death year? Manxruler (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I had a go at including it as a ref. in the article. Don't know if I did it right, though. Manxruler (talk) 02:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Acquittals after the war
NBL and the article says that he was acquitted on several occasions after the war. This article from the not so reliable source implies that he was convicted for liquor sales in 1955. There is also a references to Dagbladet. Should this be checked up on? Rettetast (talk) 00:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll look into that. SNO is of course a, shall we say, biased source, but they might be on to something. Manxruler (talk) 01:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Found it. 30 bottles of denatured alcohol in 1955. Ulateig mentions it. Perhaps it would be worth digging up that old Dagbladet article too? Manxruler (talk) 02:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Great work! Rettetast (talk) 09:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I found some articles but not from Dagbladet, whose archives from the time are not open. Geschichte (talk) 14:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Påtaleunnlating
The article states that no charges were brought against Andersen for the murder of two german officers after the war. However NRK Sogn og Fjordande's fylkesleksikon says that it was reacted with a "påtaleunnlating/påtaleunnlatelse". While a påtaleunnlating does not come with any direct punishment, formally it is a confirmation of guilt but the prosecutor chooses not react with any further punishment. NBL only says that the case never came to court, which is correct. What does the other sources say. Maybe it should be clarified? Rettetast (talk) 10:27, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Will look into that. I seem to recall something about various high-ranking authority figures being behind Andersen not being punished. Andersen never denied killing the two Germans, he merely stated he was in shock after the loss of his wife, something which for example Ulateig finds hard to believe seeing as he was informed of his wife's death on 25 May 1945 and the killings took place in July of that year. I'll go see what the books have to say. Manxruler (talk) 16:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way: Påtaleunnlatelse = Withdrawal of the charge. According to my dictionary, at least. Manxruler (talk) 20:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe. I had to do some searching. I found decision of non-indictment. Rettetast (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Might be a better term. Well searched. Manxruler (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture
Any chance to get a picture for commons? I have translated the article into german. Cheers Serten (talk) 19:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * (I moved the above question from original misplaced location in the GA review) Manxruler (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean, exactly. There's only a single image in the article, and that is at Commons. If you are asking if there are more pictures to be found, and moved to Commons, then the answer is: No, not last time I checked (which was during the work-up to the above transcluded GA review). Manxruler (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm I would like to have on of Arnesen, thats the point. Serten (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Arnesen? Who? Manxruler (talk) 21:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean Andersen, we have tried, and failed, to find a public domain picture of him. Manxruler (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * I have asked at the hjemmeveren museum, but to no avail so far. BR Serten (talk) 23:00, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If you mean the Hjemmefrontmuseet, they probably have photos, but they would need to release their rights to the image (other than attribution) for it to be possible to put it on Commons. Manxruler (talk) 07:02, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lost in translation
Hi, just checked Fjørtoft (ref 26. p 33) to confim my suspicions, that 'kjeller' is not part of the proper name of *Cheval'. The animal hospital is named 'Cheval' only, and so " killing him at the animal hospital Chevals kjeller" simply means that the victim was murdered in the basement ('kjeller' = 'cellar') of 'Cheval', the animal hospital. The NO text may be confusing because there is a misplaced comma that leads to this misreading. I'm changing the article text to reflect this.
 * Edit: Note that Fjørtoft has "Collberg" with a double L, not "Colberg"; however, comparative googling doesn't seem to support this.
 * Source: https://www.nb.no/nbsok/nb/0dd27e75a62d5c23d7b35c9f1f545827?index=16#33.
 * I'm not changing that unless there is wide popular demand.//

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