Talk:John Bingham

Quote on birthright citizenship
It seems there's been a bit of a back-and-forth on one quote of Bingham's that opponents of birthright citizenship and especially Birthers use to argue that Bingham didn't intend the 14th Amendment to be interpreted as guaranteeing birthright citizenship. I've re-removed the quote after finding the full quote, which shows that Bingham's been taken wildly out of context.

The quote, as cited by Birthers, et al:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen..."

The full quote:

"I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen; but, sir, I may be allowed to say further, that I deny that the Congress of the United States ever had the power or the color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, not owning a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States. Citizenship is his birthright, and neither the Congress nor the States can justly or lawfully take it from him."

Taken from the Congressional Globe: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.106.142 (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I have a question about this sentence in the article:


 * " Except for the addition of the first sentence of Section 1, which defined citizenship, the amendment weathered the Senate debate without substantial change.[3] The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868."

What does the word "except" mean here? -- T HE F OUNDERS I NTENT  PRAISE 13:08, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

answers.com
This bio almost without citations (refs) IMHO looks too much like the answers.com bio in the External Links, down to the four footnotes citing the 1947 case (decades after Bingham's death) of Adamson v California. I have no time or desire to check whether there's a copyright violation. I checked that link because I wondered whether Bingham's religious faith had any bearing on his Radical Republican views, and noted from a link on the Cadiz, Ohio wikipedia article that Cadiz had a prominent Methodist Episcopal bishop with radical republican tendencies in this era. But this article doesn't mention Bingham's faith at all, and I don't have the time to look up the new bio under Further Reading, merely wonder whether there were earlier bios.Jweaver28 (talk) 12:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 October 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 21:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

John Bingham → John Armor Bingham – this is a lot more distinct and useful in helping him stand out, especially since Johnathan Brewster Bingham also got involved with 14th amendment and people are going around shortening his name to John Bingham too. 64.228.90.251 (talk) 17:30, 2 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 18:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Only appropriate if he was more commonly referred to by his full name. See WP:MIDDLE. The other Bingham seems to be commonly called Jonathan Bingham, not John. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:38, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose, doesn't seem like his nickname is used at all in most references so seems contratry to WP:COMMONNAME.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose, there doesn't seem to be any need for it. He's known as John Bingham, the other guy isn't. --Coemgenus (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


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