Talk:John Brady (Sinn Féin politician)

Referenced content restored
I have restored referenced content that has been in the article for two months. Editors' own opinions about the lineage of Sinn Féin are irrelevant. FDW777 (talk) 17:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Irish Times Elected in 2016, Sinn Féin’s John Brady was the party’s first Dáil representative in Wicklow for almost 100 years
 * Irish Examiner The Bray-based politician, who in 2016 became Sinn Féin's first elected TD in Wicklow in 100 years
 * Those references are factually incorrect, because those journalist have lazily compared a party with the same name. Just because others make mistakes does not mean we should not introduce incorrect facts into Wikipedia. The Sinn Fein article says it was founded in its current form in 17 January 1970. How can it have had a TD in the 1920s then? Spleodrach (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, they are factually accurate as, like many references, they see Sinn Féin as a continuation. That's why the Sinn Féin article says it was formed in 1905. FDW777 (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * They are totally inaccurate, the product of poor journalism with no fact checking. The Sinn Féin article says it was founded	in 28 November 1905 (original form) and 17 January 1970 (current form). So the current party of which Brady is a member dates from 1970. Spleodrach (talk) 13:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Creating Ireland: The Words and Events that Shaped Us by Paul Daly (Hachette Books Ireland)
 * page 261 Sinn Féin's Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin won a seat in Cavan-Monaghan and, as the party had dropped its absentionist policy, became the first Sinn Féin TD to enter Dáil Éireann since de Valera led his supporters out of parliament in 1922
 * Sinn Féin: A Hundred Turbulent Years by Brian Feeney (O'Brien Press)
 * page 10 After the Republic's 1997 general election, Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin became the first Sinn Féin TD since 1922 to take his seat in Dáil Éireann
 * Out of the Ashes: An Oral History of The Provisional Irish Republican Movement by Robert White (Merrion Press)
 * page 292 Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin was the first Sinn Féin TD to take a seat in the Dublin parliament since 1922
 * page 323 Sinn Féin was stronger and more relevant than at any time since the 1920s
 * New Sinn Féin: Irish Republicanism in the Twenty-First Century by Agnès Maillot (Routledge)
 * page 1 Sinn Féin: the oldest political party in Ireland. Ironically, this is the party from which most modern political organisations in the Republic are derived, as a result of splits within the ranks of the organisation
 * page 26 Gerry Adams became the first Sinn Féin MP since the 1950s
 * page 32 Sinn Féin had fared well in the 1997 elections, securing two seats and 16 per cent of the vote, and becoming the third largest political party in the north, ahead of Ian Paisley’s Democratic Ulster Unionist Party. This success was mirrored in the south, where, for the first time in over forty years, a Sinn Féin candidate was elected to Dáil Éireann in May of that year
 * page 54 The party as a whole was not very familiar with parliamentary practices, because it had not taken part actively in parliamentary life since 1923 (with the exception of one TD who took his seat in the Dáil in 1997)
 * Armed Struggle: The History of the IRA by Richard English (Pan Books)
 * page 294 Politics seemed even more fruitful when the Republic of Ireland's general election the following month saw Sinn Féin winning their first Leinster House seat for decades

I suppose all those academics are all "poor journalism with no fact checking"? FDW777 (talk) 21:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * They sure are! Because they ignore the fact that Modern SF is Provisional SF from the 1969/70 split. PSF left the main party, so can splitters claim direct descendant from the main party? On the Sinn Féin article, it says the party was founded in 17 January 1970 (current form). So, the SF party pre-1970 is a different party, and cannot be claimed as a direct antecedent by PSF. It's a complicated issue that won't be resolved here. Try taking it to the main SF article and change the foundation date of the current form. Spleodrach (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)