Talk:John Bull

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Arbuthnot
Did Arbuthnot draw John Bull? Or just write about him? Mintguy (T) 01:27, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hat
It's NOT a bowler hat he wears, it's a short top hat, is there a specific name for this sort of hat? Mintguy (T) 01:37, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * You are correct in that hat not being a bowler. As surely most Englishmen don't approach John's appearance, neither does his hat match most toppers.  It appears to me that this top hat matches John's large frame.  It is perhaps an artist's interpretation/licence in this distortion.  Just a thought.  Kenneth Alanson 12:43, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

British or English
as a Scotsman, i always associated John Bull with being the personification of England rather than the whole of Britain, I know that many English things have been adopted throughout Britian to the point of some people forgetting the differences between "England" and "Britain" and the poster in the article clearly shows him sporting a Union Jack, but I wondered if anyone else maybe thought the same as me, and perhaps we could allude to this in the article, explaining that he was a representation of England then later of Britain although I might be totally wrong on this.


 * As another Scotsman, I concur. The character may wear a Union Jack waistcoat, but he's hardly representative of the Welsh, Scots or Irish. --MacRusgail 16:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

And how is he harldy representative of the Welsh, Scots or Irish anymore than he is hardly representative of say a Northern Englishman or most members of the Working Class. If anything he is a Middle Class Britisher not a generic Englishman. Sigurd Dragon Slayer (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

John Bull as a Negative Figure
I was just reading the article but there seems to be no mention of his perception as a Negative figure, I say this because my old Great Aunt (who was about 90 when she died a few years ago), used to use the term "John Bull" to refer to the British or the British Empire as the Enemy of Ireland (I assume the term was widely known when she was young). She used to recite this old nationalist poem which involved John Bull and how he was thrown out of Ireland and things like that, can anything be added on this? --Hibernian 22:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the negative perception here is of the British, rather than the character. Unless this Great Aunt actually loved the British and only had it in for John Bull, but that seems unlikely.  91.109.173.82 (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

POV, lack of references
This article makes very definite statements about JB's personally while providing no citations. Much of the article reads like an op-ed piece rather than an encyclopedia entry. It's odd that no one has provided references for this article about such a familiar character. The articles about Benny Hill, Pokémon and the Creature from the Black Lagoon all note their source material. Tsk tsk tsk.  ◄ HouseOfScandal  ► 11:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

This article ahs been referneced in a newspaper article

 * Do other countries have their own Uncle Sams? Christopher Beam, Slate Magazine, July 2 2010

Name Origin
Is it worth mentioning possible links with the composer, who is usually considered (however badly this may be supported) to have composed the British national anthem? One would imagine that even if the whoever came up with the name for the national anthropomorphism was not thinking of the composer at the time, it would have been realised very early on, and at least helped the character's name to spread. I realise this is just vague speculation (which is why I'm only discussing it here), but it's fairly obvious - does no-one have a reference to some scholar who has discussed this possibility, so that at least something can be put in the text? Perhaps pushing it a bit too far, there was also John Ball... neither of these two figures is exactly obscure, and the idea that they could be linked to English patriotism is hardly inconceivable...

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∞ Target360YT ∞ ( talk · contribs ) 13:05, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

1806 Play?
Should this article mention the very popular play titled _John_Bull_? It premiered at Covent Garden and was published the next year. The play incorporates nationalized stereotypes with various characters, including the titular John Bull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.255.132.226 (talk) 20:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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