Talk:John Cabot University

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Copyright problem removed
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Conflict of interest
A number of editors of this article appear to have a close personal or professional connection with the topic, and thus to have a conflict of interest; I've added three of them higher up this page. Conflict-of-interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes on the talk page (i.e., here). You can attract the attention of other editors by putting request edit (exactly so, with the curly parentheses) at the beginning of your request, or by clicking the link on the lowest yellow notice above. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources are unlikely to be accepted.

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request for consideration of new content
My name is Berenice Cocciolillo and I work in web communications for John Cabot University. I previously added some copyrighted material to this page and have since then become more educated about Wikipedia's rules, especially around conflict of interest. In compliance with WP:COI, I would like to request an editor consider the new content located here. In particular I'll ping, who appears to be active at College and university article advice and university articles in general.
 * Hi, Berenice! Thanks for your very proper COI declaration and for using request edit. However, I don't think anyone is going to want to go through the whole of your draft to see which changes are, and which are not, appropriate. The best edit requests are short, to the point, and supported by reliable sources. Typically, a request of the form "Please modify the sentence 'Foo …' to read 'Bar …', to reflect what is written in source Baz" is likely to receive consideration (sooner or later). Paid editors need to take care not to overtax the patience and goodwill of the rest of us, who are volunteers; this is partly because it's counter-productive to do so, but also because (in severe cases) doing so can be regarded as WP:disruptive editing. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course I will go through your draft. I always do when anyone asks me, It's the appropriate way for a coi editor to make a replacement article, and I wish people did it more frequently instead of just suggesting little changes. I know some editors have in the past refused to do so, and I never did understand why--its no worse that reviewing Draft space new articles; if the suggestion should be worthless, all that needs to be done is to say so. To even suggest t that this might be disruptive editing is not really appropriate.  DGG ( talk ) 16:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note, that draft was in a wierd place - the talk page of a subpage of this page? I moved it here: User:Berenice_at_John_Cabot_University/John_Cabot_University. Jytdog (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

For profit?
Is John Cabot University for profit or not-for-profit? No indication given — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmarcus (talk • contribs) 15:07, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * In Italy, it's for profit. --5.170.128.166 (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.155.165 (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This college claims to be nonprofit in Delaware, where it has no campus or offices. However it only operates in Italy, where it is not registered as nonprofit — it is no accident they don't claim to be nonprofit in Italy, nor does the Italian Ministry of Economy say the school is nonprofit. So it is a Delawarean non-for-profit institution not located in Delaware, which actually operates as a for-profit institution abroad. Confusing? Yes. Are there any tax reasons? Maybe. --5.170.128.150 (talk) 22:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

request for small edit
Hello, I would like to suggest that in the first paragraph of the article about John Cabot University, the text "as a split-off from the American University of Rome," be removed since the affirmation is not true. Thank you. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 22:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * That statement is sourced to Daniel N. Joudrey, Arlene G. Taylor, David P. Miller (2015) Introduction to cataloging and classification, eleventh edition. Santa Barbara, California: Libraries Unlimited, ISBN 9781598848571, page 461, which reads in part "AAP for related corporate body: Predecessor of split: American University of Rome". That information, in turn, is based on an email received from the librarian of the university in 2014. What makes you think it is incorrect? What independent reliable sources give a different origin for the university? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Regarding the source "Introduction to cataloging and classification", the incorrect information appears to have originated from this page of the Library of Congress Authorities: http://authorities.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?AuthRecID=9670876&v1=2&HC=2&SEQ=20161207061151&PID=WFIEZXi4FC5SVSq8umpkO-NJuR2H Today, the Head Librarian of John Cabot University requested that the information be corrected, as per the following email:

From: Library of Congress Online Catalog/Authority Record Error Report Form [mailto:noreply@loc.gov] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 1:14 PM To: Elisabetta Morani  Subject: Catalog/Authority Record Errors

This Catalog/Authority Record Error Report Form was submitted at Dec. 7, 2016, 7:13 a.m. Your report was successfully mailed to the Library of Congress

If the email address you included is not correct, you will not receive a response by email. Name: Elisabetta Morani Author: Raboni, Giovanni, 1932-2004. Title: InVerse 2007 : Italian poets in translation Number: Only this record Lccn: 2008297967 Error Description: The authority records for John Cabot University (LCCN no2014128813) and John Cabot International College (LCCN   no2014128890) report a wrong relationship with the authority record for the American University of Rome (LCCN   n 90693722). As stated in the e-mail sent on December 6 2016 by the current John Cabot University President to the Director of Web Communications: "Nothing could be farther from the historical truth. John Cabot University was founded thanks to the initiative of a small group of visionaries who had no contact whatsoever with AUR. First and foremost we are talking about father Andrea Morlion, a benedictin father, who had had an leading role in the creation of the International Association Pro Deo, and had proceeded to found together with others the Univesita’ Pro Deo in Rome after the war. In the late 60’s the University was finally transferred to the full control of the Italian Association of Industrialists (Confindustria) and took the name LUISS (Libera Universita’ delle Scienze Sociali). ( see Raffaele De Mucci Dalla Pro Deo alla LUISS “Guido Carli” trent’anni di libera universita. LUISS publications 1997’” After that passage Father Morlion remained on Campus and started pursuing the idea of creating an international University, for educating sons and daughters of foreign residents of Rome. He explored the idea with John Falconieri a Professor at Case reserve, who felt it would be nice to have a basis for American students traveling to Rome for periods of study. Falconieri was the first President of the University, called actually John Cabot International College, which at the very beginning was hosted in Via Pola on the grounds of LUISS. With the arrival of Paul Frohring, a very successful scientist and entrepreneur from Ohio, and leading Trustee of Hiram College in Ohio, who developed a keen interest in the John Cabot International College. Eventually relations became problematic with John Falconieri, who was not enthusiastic of the idea of affiliating the John Cabot University College with Hiram College, an affiliation which lasted until 1998, year in which John Cabot University, it had changed name by then, severed the affiliation in order to receive Candidacy status as an independent entity from the Commission of Higher Education of the Middle States Association. Falconieri who had left the Presidency on tense terms, proceed to accept the Presidency of the American University of Rome. That is the closest and only point of contact between the two institutions. The birth of the JCIC and its development never had any influence, link, association of support from the American University of Rome, and the relations between the two universities was always characterized by a healthy and vigorous competition."

In addition, John Cabot University and the American University of Rome are both accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education. If you look at the two accreditation statements: http://www.msche.org/Documents/SAS/214/Statement%20of%20Accreditation%20Status.htm http://www.msche.org/Documents/SAS/18/Statement%20of%20Accreditation%20Status.htm It is clear that both universities are independent and one has not “split off” from the other. Lastly, please take a look at note 5 in the references of the John Cabot University Wikipedia entry, which links to: http://hiram.us/hirammagazine/?p=905#.WEf1wdIrLIU The article in Hiram Magazine talks about one of the founders of John Cabot University, Paul R. Frohring. The article states "Paul was a long-term Hiram College Board of Trustees member from 1956 until his death in 1998, and is also credited with the founding and development of John Cabot University in Rome in partnership with then President Elmer Jagow. Hiram College sponsored John Cabot University’s initial accreditation." There is no mention whatsoever of John Cabot being a split off from AUR. Thank you. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 13:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC) Hello, The Library of Congress Online Catalog/Authority Record has made the requested correction and removed the false statement about John Cabot University being an offshoot of the American University of Rome: http://authorities.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?AuthRecID=9670991&v1=1&HC=2&SEQ=20170202061607&PID=Ag2GEM3xcX-TCCFR_r2LdtVhB7_i In light of this, I would like to request the removal of the text " as a split-off from the American University of Rome," in the first paragraph of the article. Thank you. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 11:27, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


 * That does seem to be confirmed by https://lccn.loc.gov/no2014128813
 * I am inclinded to remove the passage as now not supported by a reliable source. --Boson (talk) 17:54, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Boson (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Some proposed changes
John Cabot University is a private American liberal arts university located in Rome, Italy. Founded in 1972, it was named after the Italian explorer Giovanni Caboto. Until 1998 the University was associated academically with Hiram College in Ohio. The University is accredited by the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools, licensed by the Department of Education of the State of Delaware, and authorized by the Italian Ministry of Education to operate as an American four-year university in Italy. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 13:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Accreditation: University of Wales information
I would like to request that the sentence about the University of Wales be removed since it is irrelevant and implies wrongdoing on the part of John Cabot University. The BBC article cited as a source does not mention John Cabot University. Here is the sentence: "Degrees in business administration, international affairs and public administration were formerly accredited by the University of Wales,[4]:55 which was abolished in 2011 after revelations of abusive accreditation."[6] Thank you. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 20:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC)


 * As formulated, the statement could be read as implying some sort of (unsourced) connection between John Cabot University and the "abusive accreditation", which would be original research and inappropriate. On the other hand removing only the second part of the statement could be read as promoting the university on the basis of an accreditation that might be seen as "tainted". I am inclined to remove the statement completely. --Boson (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Boson (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

66% Female
Why is line "About 66% of the students are female" in the top section of this article? It isn't standard to have the gender ratio located in such a prominent spot. It's also strange to have this stat in the article at all when none of the other standard college statistics are featured.95.251.237.152 (talk) 00:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I would suggest moving it to a separate section with student numbers, demographics, etc. --Boson (talk) 19:32, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Boson (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion of draft
I have the impression that this is slipping through the net. The draft version by a COI editor is now at Draft:John Cabot University. It was submitted as if it were an article for creation and thus rejected, since this article already exists. I think the understanding was that the draft should be discussed here rather than being submitted under AfC. I suspect the author of the draft does not know how to proceed and feels abandoned. In any case the article needs fixing. The draft article is now eligible for deletion as an abandoned draft. Since it may contain something useful, I am inclined to request postponement of deletion for the time being and discuss individual changes here (if necessary with reference to the draft article). --Boson (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I have now added some of the information from the draft at Afc, omitting the more promotional material. I hope the edit summaries are sufficient for attribution. It may still benefit from some pruning and copy-editing. --Boson (talk) 12:43, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Changing "Status" section to "Campus"
I would like to suggest that the heading "Status" be changed to "Campus" and the "Campus" section at the end be removed since it repeats some of the information under "Status." Thank you. Berenice at John Cabot University (talk) 16:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)