Talk:John Carpenter (bishop of Worcester)

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I brought forward information from genealogical and other sources to try to enlarge the stub.

John R. Carpenter Jrcrin001 (talk) 22:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

How can this article receive a better rating? What needs to be done? I like the format. Enfermero (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandalisim warning
Iwanafish aka 160.244.140.202 This is a warning for your continuing disruptive edits and deliberate vandalisim. Caution: do not violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you have done with Rehoboth Carpenter family,Culham and now John Carpenter (bishop).

You refuse to discuss, talk or converse. Your actions indicate you are deliberately causing harm to these articles for no apparent reason. It is childish, unprofessional and wrong. You need to stop.

John R. Carpenter Jrcrin001 (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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This article is supposed to be about a bishop. Not about coats of arms issued in 1719, or large swatches of quoted text about a tomb. We don't use quotations without attribution, and there are apparantly some sections inside quotation marks that don't have citations. The article is very disjointed and reads like a genealogical entry, not an encyclopedia. We can't cite emails, they aren't reliable sources. Family genealogy CDs aren't either. It needs some major cleanup to meet encyclopedic standards. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's pretty rare for a family to give the same name to two siblings, and usually only when one of them has died before the birth of the other. The "ancestry" section claimed that this Carpenter family had two consecutive generations in which two co-existant brothers were given the name John, these being John the elder elder, father of John the elder, John the younger elder, brother of John the elder elder, and John the younger younger, brother of John the elder. John the ancient was John the elder elder's grandfather, and Richard the milkman was his father. Ning-ning (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it was pretty common. This line came from France and Jean and Jehan both became John is English. One was a diminitive version. Yes, it can cause confusion, but only to those who are unaware of the genealogy. I plead guilty since to my focus on genealogy.
 * I was working on getting the author of the pictures of the tomb and Church to place the pictures in Wiki-Commons. So pending I linked via hyperlinks.  Cites within a paragraph or section that had one source used one reference thus giving the view that some might not have been cited properly. No doubt first efforts needed triming. While I might not agree with all, your efforts with discussion is appreciated.
 * Any thought of what to do with Iwanafish who keeps vandalizing this and other articles without discussion. See his user page and Rehoboth Carpenter family discussion for efforts to try to get cooperation and discussion.
 * John R. Carpenter
 * Jrcrin001 (talk) 06:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The first point, about brothers sharing the same name and both being alive at the same time, I'll ask an expert... In an extensive genealogy of several English and American families that I'm helping get published, containing several thousand individuals back to the 17th century, that situation does not occur except where there's been a premature death. User:Iwanafish appears to be, or has been, a respected editor on Chinese porcelain- so there seems to be a change in editing behaviour. Ning-ning (talk) 07:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Struck that- just followed through a situation where Iwanafish was in conflict with another editor over salt-glazed pottery. Ning-ning (talk) 07:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Having been in genealogy for over 25 years, I have seen stranger things! Remember my reference regarding the French names being translated into English in that time period.

Regarding user Iwannafish, most of his articles cite himself as a source. They are mostly self-promotion. Check out his contributions. text removed ... Jrcrin001 (talk) 07:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's really not cool to try and Out another editor. I suggest we not discuss the other editor's hair or other attributes. If he keeps up with the editing, you'll need to find an administrator to help out. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Lead
The information in the lead should summarize information in the body of the article. Thus, nothing should appear in the lead that isn't in the body of the article. I'm going to rearrange a bit to make this the case. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * What else needs to be done? Jrcrin001 (talk) 05:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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