Talk:John Chilembwe

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Why is th January, 15th in Malawi dedicated to John Chilembwe? --Wendelin 11:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

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Black Liberation Theology
MsTingaK has added a section "Chilembwe's Teachings & Black Liberation Theology", which is of doubtful validity.

Firstly, the references to Peter Baxter's websites are misleading as, although Baxter refers to Joseph Booth's radical religious views at length, he says little about Chilembwe's, and nothing that could justify the statement "Chilembwe was part of a movement in Africa for that promoted black liberation theology for Africa." (?grammar)

Secondly, the link to "black liberation theology" is to an article with multiple issues whose accuracy and neutrality are disputed. It is also about American black liberation theology, not African.

Thirdly, even that article places the origins of contemporary black liberation theology to 1966, whereas Chilembwe was killed in 1915, so to talk of his black liberation theology is an anachronism.

Unless MsTingaK can provide substantive justification and credible citations for the following:

"Chilembwe was part of a movement in Africa for that promoted black liberation theology for Africa.[13] This liberating theology was influenced by the teachings of African-American preachers and aimed at liberating the Africans that were facing harsh the conditions as a result of colonialism.[14] These ideas marked the beginning of the African version of Black liberation theology and pro-independence nationalist movement in Malawi.[15]"

I propose that ot should be deleted as unverified, inaccurate and anachronistic.

Shscoulsdon (talk) 22:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Take out editorializing?
"No amount of frustration should have allowed Chilembwe to resort to, or condone the slaughter of fellow Christians." This seems like a bit of editorializing that should not appear in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wendwillow (talk • contribs) 18:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You have a point. Looks like that was added in this edit, along with other unsourced/questionable material.  I've removed that material, and thanks for pointing it out. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * His actions should be queried on the fundamental basis that he was an avowed Christian and him being a Pastor was the mainstay of his reputation in the community. He did urge his followers to murder numerous people on false pretences and also gave a Christian service next to a newly severed head (a head he specifically asked his followers to remove from it's person and retrieve for him). Both of these actions would be considered 'abnormal' to Christians! 2001:8003:70F5:2400:8470:7FF9:5765:F4F2 (talk) 06:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Coercion of Porters in the East Africa campaign
In the section “Background to the 1915 Uprising”, the second sentence originally read:

“In the course if this war, some 19,000 Nyasaland Africans served in the King's African Rifles, [and up to 200,000 were forced to be porters] for varying periods, mostly in the East African Campaign against the Germans in Tanganyika, and disease caused many casualties.”

The sentence was referenced to M. E. Page, (2000). "The Chiwaya War": Malawians and the First World War, Boulder (Co), Westview Press pp. 35-6, 37-41, 50-3.

On 26th December 213, a contributor with only a numerical reference changed the words in brackets to "...and up to 200,000 served as porters..." on the stated pretext that he/she removed "forced" as it has no references. The contributor has clearly not read "The Chiwaya War" which makes it very clear that the so-called tenga-tenga porters were coerced, taken hundreds of miles from their homes, poorly cared for and exposed to tropical diseases, and ignored the fact that the coercion and casualties are documented on the pages noted in the reference. The soldiers of the King's African Rifles were, at least technically volunteers (although sometimes pressured to do so) so “served” is accurate, but to apply the same word to forced labour is wholly misleading. This forced conscription and the casualties to the porters is exactly what infuriated Chilembwe. Sscoulsdon (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Can you please cite evidence of when soldiers were pressured or forced into joining the KAR. The soldiers in the KAR enjoyed a salary far greater than the majority of their kin and a lifestyle that was enticing to young males at the time. I was never under the impression that there was a lack of volunteers for the KAR? The porters likewise were salaried and yes, disease caused many casualties ... but disease killed many people in Africa at that time regardless of what they were doing! 2001:8003:70F5:2400:8470:7FF9:5765:F4F2 (talk) 07:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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"an African girl died in the fire"
No, she was killed by Chilembwe's men (not the fire). Chilembwe having instigated the murders on false pretences! Shameful attempt at deflection! 2001:8003:70F5:2400:8470:7FF9:5765:F4F2 (talk) 06:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Statue
A new statue has been unveiled in central London's Trafalgar Square. The sculpture, Antelope, by Samson Kambalu, is of Malawian Baptist preacher and pan-Africanist John Chilembwe, who fought against British colonial rule. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-63074479 80.43.31.222 (talk) 22:08, 1 October 2022 (UTC)