Talk:John Dennys

Scope of Funerary Monuments information for Dennys family members
The following citation information: Funerary Monuments in St. Thomas a Becket Church, Pucklechurch, Glocestershire is stated to be the source of birth and death information for:
 * John Dennys
 * His wife Katherine
 * His brother
 * Four children

However, based upon the contributor's pattern of inappropriately attributing blocks of information to sources - and the confusion about the number of children and some dates of death that the monuments should have resolved - I don't know how much of this is truly found in the funerary monuments. Any idea how to verify this? If I could at least determine what family members are buried at the church, it could then be inferred that their information was likely properly cited?-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 23:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was able to back into most of this info from other sources.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 04:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * See further discussion in next section.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 17:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Information unable to find and/or original research
Here's information I've been working on:


 * John the poet was heir to his elder brother Henry, who died in 1569 without having fathered any children.
 * It is possible John Dennys had read the Georgics at Magdalene College, Cambridge, which his father Hugh had caused in 1543 to establish a scholarship "the Dennis Scholarship" by procuring an Act of Parliament to divert the income from his great-uncle Hugh Denys's Hugh Denys (died 1511) of Osterley, Middlesex was Groom of the King's Close Stool to Henry VII.  bequest to Sheen Priory and Syon Abbey, dissolved by Henry VIII, to the newly refounded College.
 * Rev. Henry Nicholson Ellacombe (died 1916), Vicar of Bitton, who had assisted Westwood in his definitive identification of Dennys, went on to write "Shakespeare as an Angler" published at Oxford in 1883, in which he argues that The Bard and John Dennys were possibly fishing companions. Shakespeare lived for a while at Dursley, Glos., not too far from Dennys's manor of Oldbury-on-Hill, N. of Pucklechurch. The play Henry IV contains many references to the sport, and is said to have been written during this period.See also Laurence, Robert. William Shakespeare, Fisherman. & Huhner, Max. Was Shakespeare an Angler? 1918.
 * Did not use Laurence info - was an unreliable web site
 * Did not find Dennys in the Huhner book.
 * I did not add citation info into the body of the text, it's in the citation
 * I did not reach that they were fishing buddies, but that they may have known each other.
 * Already stated that Ellacombe was instrumental in sorting out Denny's role in his book and family heritage.


 * He left 4 children under 15 years old, from which may be deduced that he possibly died young aged 35 to 40.
 * not finding anything to substantiate age - children's ages at his death can be deduced from the info in the article

If there is reliable source info for this and should be returned, please respond - or add info with correct citation.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 04:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The source in Gloucestershire Notes and Queries pp.363-364 would seem to be secondary for what the gravestone says, but primary for what it means and for the inference of errors. LeadSongDog come howl!  13:32, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this was intended for the section.


 * Yep, thanks, I used that source (reference # 19) and explained the errors (note 9) as in this version. Is there more that you think needs to be done (e.g., explain the nature of the errors more fully, etc.)?


 * Or, maybe this related to the query that I had on the Wikipedia talk:Verifiability posting, in which I have no further question, but thank you for the response! I will update the citation / note per the discussion on that page.


 * Love your talk label: "come howl"-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 17:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)