Talk:John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories

Wikipedia and the Warren Commission conclusions
Anything stated about this major event in recent American history on any Wikipedia page, that does not conform strictly to the conclusions of the Warren Commission, is immediately labeled as fringe and/or as "conspiracy theory" on Wikipedia. I contend that the Wikipedia official view of this event is the strict view of the Warren Commission, nothing else. warshy (¥¥) 17:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * This is the article on conspiracy theories. Editors are proposing to add stuff here, so conspiracy theorising would be relevant. For the historical event, see: Assassination of John F. Kennedy. Bon courage (talk) 17:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen you much around on these pages over the years. My contention above is not about this page, it is about what I called "the Wikipedia official view of this event." I am challenging you to prove me wrong. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 18:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This page is for discussing improvements to this article. So I would expect conspiracy-relevant content. How is your comment "I haven't seen you much around on these pages over the years" relevant to anything? Bon courage (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It means that I've been reading, and following, and studying the developments in this area on Wikipedia over many years. I am making the above contention based on these studies and observations. This article is just the garbage dump where everything else that has no place on Wikipedia just gets dumped in the end. But I am talking about the entire area of studies related to the assassination of President Kennedy on Wikipedia, where anything that does not conform strictly to the conclusions of the Warren Commission eventually gets erased, or is just tagged as fringe "conspiracy theories." Again, on this 60th anniversary day, I am contending that the Wikipedia official view of this key event in recent American history is the strict view of the Warren Commission, nothing else. warshy (¥¥) 20:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not sure how that translates into proposed changes for this article. Bon courage (talk) 20:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * untrue, House Select Committee on Assassinations differs from Warren Commission conclusion, and is referred to often in the main Assassination of John F. Kennedy. vroman (talk) 04:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Well yes, the term "conspiracy theory" was coined by officials referring to people who did not believe in the Warren Report's conclusion. 47.144.16.66 (talk) 19:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Other published theories - by Mary Haverstick (Jerrie Cobb / June Cobb)
In this section I added a description of the theory advanced in A Woman I Know: Female Spies, Double Identities, and a New Story of the Kennedy Assassination (2023) by Mary Haverstick, in which she attempts to say that Jerrie Cobb, retired and decorated pilot, was actually (or impersonated) June Cobb, CIA operative, and that the latter (or former) was implicated (and by extension the CIA) in the Kennedy assassination, notionally by providing a planned getaway plane for Oswald waiting at Redland airport, and perhaps by being an additional gunperson herself. Hope this is OK as the book in question has not previously been mentioned here, although the theory has already made it to Wikipedia in another article, Jerrie_Cobb. Not sure what to make of it myself (the 2 women had different documented lives and died in different years) but some reviewers seem to take it seriously. Any other comments welcome. Regards - Tony Rees. Australia Tony 1212 (talk) 06:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Some discussion here: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29939-mary-haversticks-important-new-book-on-the-jfk-assassination/


 * On the other hand I am not familiar enough with the long history of this page to know whether "all" conspiracy theory books are within scope (presumably not) and, consequentially, how it is decided what does or does not merit coverage here. Answers appreciated! Tony 1212 (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

"Coup in Dallas"
I imagine that "Coup in Dallas" (2022), by H.P. Albarelli, Jr., and his research colleagues, Leslie Sharp and Alan Kent justifies some mention or discussion here (if I have not missed it somewhere else more relevant) - https://www.amazon.com/Coup-Dallas-Who-Killed-JFK/dp/1510740317 ... Its credibility / reception is a completely different issue of course. However I lack the background or detailed knowledge to discuss it further really. Any takers? Tony 1212 (talk) 18:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Some discussion here if relevant: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27407-coup-in-dallas/ Tony 1212 (talk) 05:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Third bullet theory
Stephen Hunter postulates that the most significant evidence of more than one shooter is the discrepancy in behaviors of the second and third bullets. While the second penetrated two bodies and remained intact, the third disintegrated on impact. The bullets used by Oswald were designed for max penetration, so the third bullet's result is an anomaly. None of the other major theories or theorists appear to have highlighted this aspect. Also, Oswald did not shoot at Kennedy right after the turn onto Elm Street, when he was closest to the depository building, but waited until they were further away and missed with his first shot trying to fire through the trees in front of the building, then had to rush the second and third shots which made a direct hit on Kennedy's skull less likely. Sources:. 152.130.15.110 (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)