Talk:John Fogerty/Archive 1

ALMOST Drafted?
If Fogerty was not in college, the Selective Service System was quite right to make him 1-A. At that time, plenty of us were trying to just finish college. Also, how can anybody join a Reserve unit in 1966 and get out a year later? The commitment was six years in reserve components when I tried to avoid the draft that way.

In summary, the section relating to Fogerty's military service doesn't sound correct at all.


 * Good point, this never has been explained other than word of mouth that Fogerty's first wife Martha wrote a lot of letters.


 * My father was able to do active for a year and then 6 years of reserves ('60-'66) in order to pursue his MD; maybe by "Discharged" the author is referring to this.Ink170 (talk) 09:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

He won
Did Fogerty win, or was the case thrown out? I can't recall. Koyaanis Qatsi
 * I think he won. I can't imagine anyone would convict a man of writing songs then that sounded similar to the songs he wrote ten years before. But, I don't know for sure. Tokerboy
 * Eh, it was on VH1 about a month ago. Ah well.  Senile early; at least I don't procrastinate about everything.  --Koyaanis Qatsi

Fogerty won. I believe he was also the first defendant in an American copyright case to be awarded costs. Jfitzg

Yes, as Bordowitz (1998), p267, JC Fogerty's final legal victory estsblished a precedent. Jack Roo

There is no verifiable documentation that either Cook or Clifford sided with Fantasy during Fogerty's lawsuits. I believe Clifford was barred from entering the Fantasy building when he gave a deposition supporting Fogerty, and Cook was never contacted by either side to give evidence in the trial. Oh2kaybec —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.157.243 (talk) 21:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Childhood
Does anyone know of anything about his childhood, besides the date and where he was born? If so I would appreciate any information you could give me.

Does this statement make sense or is it me ? 'Tensions flared in 1971, causing John's brother, Tom, to leave the band. John demanded that Stu Cook and Doug Clifford write and sing one third each of the next album. They protested, saying it wouldn't be a CCR album, and that the fans would not understand. John replied, "my voice is a unque instrument and I will not lend it to your songs." Norwikian 07:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, this could be expanded, since it reads as if JC Fogerty was resentful of the others not contributing, yet him being unwilling to contribute himself. Not for me to do though -a bit daunting try to summarise 30 years of bad blood and keep it balanced.Jack Roo

I really doubt the authenticity of the "John demanded...lend it to your songs'" passage. It doesn't sound right and there's no source given. I'm tempted to delete it.

''It's a fact. Please don't inject yourself in the mess. Tnx.''

John is born and raised in California, yet pronounces turning 'toyning' in Proud Mary. In other songs he has a rather strong accent as well. From what I have read/understood, he's trying to imitate a Louisiana accent, but does anyone have any info on this?Doregasm 18:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

JC Fogerty says the pronunciation comes from Howling Wolf (cited in Bordowitz 1998, p 54., quoting JC Fogerty website). Bordowitz, H (1998). Bad Moon Rising: The Unofficial History of Creedence Clearwater Revival, Prentice Hall, New York.Jack Roo

I heard on NPR that John got married in recent years and has at least one child. Does anyone know if he's ever been married previously, or how many children he has? The article clains that he attended "Saint Mary's College High School in Berkeley". In fact he graduated high school at El Cerrito High. This should be changed. His attendance is also noted on the El Cerrito High School Wiki page. BrianAlexBrianAlex (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

He also attended St. Mary's. In Craig Werner's Book "Up Around the Bend", JF says "I went to St. Mary's for one year.  I didn't fit in" David T Tokyo (talk) 07:08, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

John Fogerty
In the main photo we have now you can barely make out what his face looks like, a new one is required.

Years active
Should be years *publically* active. I changed it in the box.

Vytal (talk) 00:46, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Why?
"John Fogerty refused to play with his former band mates and fellow inductees Stu Cook and Doug "Cosmo" Clifford during the musical portion of the induction ceremony [at the R&R HOF]"

Any explanation why? I reread the article because I thought I missed something, but the last thing it mentioned was the fact that the band reunited to play at the wedding. 71.83.194.82 (talk) 03:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Read Craig Werner's book "Up Around The Bend"- it tells the whole story. Yes, John did refuse to play with his ex band mates but it goes a whole lot deeper than that.  Stu Cook and Doug Clifford were told that they would be playing at the Hall of Fame and turned up, as planned, a day early to rehearse only to be told that John had been rehearsing with the House Band for a month and that they wouldn't be playing after all.  This had been known all along and had been kept deliberately from them by both Fogerty (who almost certainly wasn't talking to them anyway) and the HOF mangement (who had probably worked out that if Cook and Clifford had known that the plan was for John to be on stage without them doing CCR songs they would never have turned up in the first place).


 * Doug Clifford descibed the incident as a "cold, selfish, ignorant thing to do" and Stu Cook told Fogerty directly that it was "a mean, vindictive move". Fogerty said to Cook, "You left me twisting in the wind, you didn't help me get out of my contract with Fantasy". He said much the same thing to Doug Clifford, "I don't like you - you didn't help me get out of my contract twenty five years ago".


 * On the night itself the three CCR members accepted their awards and then SC and DC, along their families, walked out of the show rather than be "embarrassed" (their words) by not playing. Reading through the book you get a definite feeling that the presence of their families was a factor - their kids had never seen CCR playing together and this was going to be one of those rare, memorable occasions.  In the end it couldn't possibly have gone any worse for them.  Bruce Springsteen, who had been a member of John's band that night later wrote back to Doug Clifford and apologised - saying it had been "wrong".   David T Tokyo (talk) 08:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, John is a dick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.104.12.34 (talk) 20:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

b/w?
What does it mean and why is it all over the article? Never seen anything like it in Wikipedia. Surely it's not up to quality standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.96.237 (talk) 05:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * b/w stands for "backed with". It generally refers to the B-side of a single record, that is, not the intended hit. See also A-side and B-side. WWGB (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Please revise
The phrase «He realized that Robert Johnson was the true spiritual owner of the songs Johnson had written.» does not make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Locogato (talk • contribs) 10:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. Like Fogerty, Johnson lost control of his own songs to "men in suits". Fogerty realised that the original songsmith remains the spiritual owner of songs that he wrote. This gave Fogerty the impetus to re-evaluate his own body of work. WWGB (talk) 11:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on genre
This topic has interested me for quite some time. It is the topic of genre for Creedence Clearwater Revival. Few seem to be able to label it correctly. Unlike British bands that could be conveniently labeled as "British rock," - Creedence is difficult to peg down.

I would contend that not only did Creedence influence roots rock, southern rock, and arena rock, but also punk, grunge, and nu metal. I also would argue that Creedence is an overlooked influence on the British New Wave of Heavy Metal, as well as and Goth rock (especially the Green River album).

I can't say that their influence would have been direct, but I would say that the sound was ahead of the time, so much so, that critics and fans panned it in favor of bands that were easier to label. Just look at the number of genres that Creedence songs have been covered in - everything from funk, disco, hardcore punk, post-punk, grunge, underground metal, metal, Goth rock, roots rock, rock, British rock, Americana, folk, pop, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.25.132 (talk) 05:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Years Active
1957? He was active when he was 11 or 12? Shut up, Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.159.150 (talk) 13:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

new link for further info to reference
http://www.grammy.com/search/apachesolr_search/John%20Fogerty no time at the moment, do laterLanceBarber (talk) 07:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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The album, Earl Scruggs and Friends, also featured artists such as John Fogerty, Elton John, Sting, Johnny Cash, Don Henley, Travis Tritt, and Billy Bob Thornton.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Scruggs#Discography _____________________________________________________________________________________________ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.87.3.5 (talk) 07:28, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

So, what's with the Brooklyn accent?
I came to this article looking for information on why John Fogerty sings in Brooklynese when he was born and grew up in Berkeley? I spent my childhood there around the same time, and never encountered anyone who spoke that way except in old movies. Examples: "Big wheels keep on toinin'" (from Proud Mary), and "I hoid it through the grape vine". What's with that? It never seemed to fit with the swamp rock genre either. An explanation in this article would be helpful. =Axlq 22:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not "Brooklynese", but the Louisiana/Cajun accent which fits right in with the swamp rock genre. If one listens to the rural and country folks Louisiana, one will hear the words pronounced in a similar manner as the New York accent. Hence, the word "turnin'" becomes "toinin'", "burnin'" becomes "boinin'", etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.233.96.36


 * A gazillion thanks to both of you (and extra thanks to Axlq for bringing this up at all)! You saved me 15 mins of my time. I too wondered why this typically NY accent would come up in CCR's songs all the time...plus, I remembered Bugs Bunny would always speak with an accent VERY similar to his's. So it's LA accent ... you never stop learning. Thanks! -andy 92.229.80.28 (talk) 03:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

FOGARTY's voice live has never sounded like his CCR albums. Never. On the CCR albums he has a powerful voice and any show live or recent,has shown his voice to be thin and tinny. The 70's records don't have any of his CCR sound. So,I wonder if his recorded voice of the 60's was manipulated by sound engineers?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 (talk) 00:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Please revise this paragraph
''Fogerty, as writer of the songs for the band (as well as lead singer and lead guitarist), felt that his musical opinions should count for more than those of the others, leading to resentments within the band.[4] These internal rifts, and Tom's feeling that he was being taken for granted, caused Tom to leave the group in January 1971. The two other group members, bassist Stu Cook and drummer Doug Clifford, wanted a greater role in the band's future. Fogerty, in an attempt to keep things together, insisted Cook and Clifford share equal songwriting and vocal time on what would become the band's final album, Mardi Gras, released in April 1972, which included the band's last two singles, the 1971 hit "Sweet Hitch-Hiker", and "Someday Never Comes", which barely made it into the Billboard Top 20. Cook and Clifford told Fogerty that the fans would not accept "Mardi Gras" as a CCR LP, but he said, "My voice is a unique instrument, and I will not lend it to your songs." He gave them an ultimatum: either they would do it or he would quit immediately. They accepted his ultimatum, but the album received poor reviews. It was a commercial success, however, peaking at #12 and achieving gold record status. It generated weaker sales than their previous albums. The group disbanded shortly afterwards.''

This is poorly written, I can't really puzzle out what happened. A non-sequitur (Cook and Clifford told Fogerty that the fans would not accept "Mardi Gras" as a CCR LP, but he said, "My voice is a unique instrument, and I will not lend it to your songs.") and confusion over which brother is meant by "Fogerty". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6036:31:55FC:A9EF:22FC:50F9 (talk) 15:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Converts
Galen Robert and Edith Lucile Fogerty, who both converted to Catholicism - from what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:46:1A12:95D4:60A1:1AC1:71BB:615F (talk) 01:19, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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Early in subsection 4.4 (Solo career ==> 2000s) are back-to-back claims (unsourced, naturally) that I cannot interpret —
 * "Centerfield" was also played at the 2008 Republican National Convention when John McCain introduced Sarah Palin as his running mate. Fogerty's numbers were played with Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band.

This seems to be saying that Fogerty and Springsteen (notorious Democrats) supported the Republican POTUS candidate, which seems unlikely at best. I have blanked this until either a source is provided or the non sequitur is corrected. Weeb Dingle (talk) 06:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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