Talk:John Glenn/Archive 1

Random Questions
John Glenn was the first person in space right? --71.96.101.253 03:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

'''this guy really went around the earth 3 times in less then 5 hours that is hard to believe but hay okay what ever i am doing a project on him but can't find any info about him so put more thanks. so what are his 2 kids names?

ashley D                       bye'''


 * I'm doing a project on him as well. He married Anna Castor in 1943, and they had two children: David (born in 1945) and Carolyn (born in 1947)



Patrick shaw wrote this.

--204.57.104.7 16:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC) hey john glenn is my sixth cusin! so i am doing a project on him at school. i can ask my great aunt for info. about him!! :) courtney GLENN

Ties with the Kennedys
I am translating (more or less) this article into Hebrew (for the Hebrew Wikipedia), and I saw the extraordinary claim :
 * He also became a personal friend of the Kennedy family, and was the one chosen by Jackie Kennedy to break the news to the Kennedy children of what had happened to their father on November 22, 1963."

I tried to "google" more information in order to varify this, but could find nothing. Can anybody find an evidence for this?

I did find, however, that he was one of the pallbearers in Robert Kennedy's funeral, and that he presented the folded flag to Ethel and Joe Kennedy in behalf of the United States. . I aslo found an evidence that he was around during the assaination itself.

So can anyone (with a better English, and better knowledge than mine) check these things, and incorporate them into the article?

Thankseman 22:46, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And now I find a version of the story about telling the children, but Robert's children  eman 00:07, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised no one has answered this question yet. Isn't there anyone who knows whether this claim is correct, that Jackie asked John Glenn to tell her kids about the President's death?  It appears to be well documented (see the citation above and also see a PBS special on John Glenn that is viewable on "The Right Stuff" DVD) that John Glenn told Robert Kennedy's kids about their father's death.  I find it hard to believe that he also broke the news to John F. Kennedy's kids. --Milkncookie 04:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I just completed reading "John Glenn A Memoir" by John Glenn with Nick Taylor, Bantam Books, 1999, ISBN 0553110748. John Glenn does write about being asked by Robert Kennedy's wife to inform some of her children about the death of their father. He does not write about informing any of President John F. Kennedy's children about their fathers death.


 * Date of Marriage
 * When was John Glenn and Annie Castor married?
 * When was the specific date of John and Annie's wedding?
 * They were married on April 6, 1943

Space travel
if john went around the world 3 times then doesnt that mean he was three days older?Deathdealer 22:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)deathdealer
 * It doesn't work that way. You don't age any faster when you orbit the Earth, any more than you age faster when you travel over various timezones on a long airplane flight (eg. from New York to London). - Ageekgal 19:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Unexplained Metzenbaum reference
"(This 1992 re-election victory is, as of 2004, the last time a Democrat won a statewide race in Ohio; DeWine later won Metzenbaum's seat upon his retirement.)"

I think this sentence is problematic for a number of reasons.

Firstly, its relevance and necessity in the article is questionable, although it could perhaps be defended on the grounds of it being evidence of Glenn's popularity in Ohio.

Secondly, the succession of races in which Metzenbaum, Glenn, and DeWine ran against one another, either in primary or general elections, is rather confusing, and an attempt to sort it all out might require too great an emphasis on the careers and doings of Metzenbaum and DeWine than is appropriate for an article on Glenn.

Thirdly and most importantly, the sentence references a Metzenbaum Senate term that is not mentioned or explained previously in the article; the last reference to Metzenbaum is a defeat for re-election.

I propose to delete this sentence or re-vamp this section soon unless someone else does. LeoO3 03:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

hey can you help me find more links about john glenn

ok here is one:http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/glenn-j.html good ok. 169.139.112.8 16:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)deathdealer

Citation needed again
Here patrick shaw wrote this too. NAME: John Herschel Glenn, Jr. (Colonel, USMC, Ret.) NASA Astronaut (former)

PERSONAL DATA: Born July 18, 1921 in Cambridge, Ohio. Married to the former Anna Margaret Castor of New Concord, Ohio. They have two grown children and two grandchildren.

EDUCATION: Glenn attended primary and secondary schools in New Concord, Ohio. He attended Muskingum College in New Concord and received a Bachelor of Science degree in Engineering. Muskingum College also awarded him an honorary Doctor of Science degree in engineering. He has received honorary doctoral degrees from nine colleges or universities.

SPECIAL HONORS: Glenn has been awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and holds the Air Medal with 18 Clusters for his service during World War II and Korea. Glenn also holds the Navy Unit Commendation for service in Korea, the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal, the American Campaign Medal, the World War II Victory Medal, the China Service Medal, the National Defense Service Medal, the Korean Service Medal, the United Nations Service Medal, the Korean Presidential Unit Citation, the Navy's Astronaut Wings, the Marine Corps' Astronaut Medal, the NASA Distinguished Service Medal, and the Congressional Space Medal of Honor.

EXPERIENCE: He entered the Naval Aviation Cadet Program in March 1942 and was graduated from this program and commissioned in the Marine Corps in 1943. After advanced training, he joined Marine Fighter Squadron 155 and spent a year flying F-4U fighters in the Marshall Islands.

During his World War II service, he flew 59 combat missions. After the war, he was a member of Marine Fighter Squadron 218 on the North China patrol and served on Guam. From June 1948 to December 1950 Glenn was an instructor in advanced flight training at Corpus Christi, Texas. He then attended Amphibious Warfare Training at Quantico, Virginia. In Korea he flew 63 missions with Marine Fighter Squadron 311. As an exchange pilot with the Air Force Glenn flew 27 missions in the in F-86 Sabrejet. In the last nine days of fighting in Korea Glenn downed three MIG's in combat along the Yalu River.

After Korea, Glenn attended Test Pilot School at the Naval Air Test Center, Patuxent River, Maryland. After graduation, he was project officer on a number of aircraft. He was assigned to the Fighter Design Branch of the Navy Bureau of Aeronautics (now Bureau of Naval Weapons) in Washington from November 1956 to April 1959, during which time he also attended the University of Maryland.

In July 1957, while project officer of the F8U Crusader, he set a transcontinental speed record from Los Angeles to New York, spanning the country in 3 hours and 23 minutes. This was the first transcontinental flight to average supersonic speed. Glenn has nearly 9,000 hours of flying time, with approximately 3,000 hours in jet aircraft.

NASA EXPERIENCE: Glenn was assigned to the NASA Space Task Group at Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia, in April 1959 after his selection as a Project Mercury Astronaut. The Space Task Group was moved to Houston and became part of the NASA Manned Spacecraft Center in 1962. Glenn flew on Mercury-6 (February 20, 1962) and STS-95 (October 29 to November 7, 1998), and has logged over 218 hours in space. Prior to his first flight, Glenn had served as backup pilot for Astronauts Shepard and Grissom. When astronauts were given special assignments to ensure pilot input into the design and development of spacecraft, Glenn specialized in cockpit layout and control functioning, including some of the early designs for the Apollo Project. Glenn resigned from the Manned Spacecraft Center on January 16, 1964. He was promoted to the rank of Colonel in October 1964 and retired from the Marine Corps on January 1, 1965. He was a business executive from 1965 until his election to the United States Senate in November 1974. Glenn retired from the U.S. Senate in January 1999.

SPACE FLIGHT EXPERIENCE: On February 20, 1962, Glenn piloted the Mercury-Atlas 6 "Friendship 7" spacecraft on the first manned orbital mission of the United States. Launched from Kennedy Space Center, Florida, he completed a successful three-orbit mission around the earth, reaching a maximum altitude (apogee) of approximately 162 statute miles and an orbital velocity of approximately 17,500 miles per hour. Glenn's "Friendship 7" Mercury spacecraft landed approximately 800 miles southeast of KSC in the vicinity of Grand Turk Island. Mission duration from launch to impact was 4 hours, 55 minutes, and 23 seconds.

STS-95 Discovery (October 29 to November 7, 1998) was a 9-day mission during which the crew supported a variety of research payloads including deployment of the Spartan solar-observing spacecraft, the Hubble Space Telescope Orbital Systems Test Platform, and investigations on space flight and the aging process. The mission was accomplished in 134 Earth orbits, traveling 3.6 million miles in 213 hours and 44 minutes.

Bathroom tub story
I'm skeptical of the "bathroom tub story" which is contained in the article; and I think that part should be altered. Rather, instead what happened is likely he knew that his candidacy wasn't competitive in that year. And that he should wait out the race until the public got used to the idea of John Glenn the politican. This happens often in politics, where a story is created in order to bow out quietly. For a current example: see Columbus Mayor Michael Coleman's dropping out of the 2006 Governor's race. The stated reason was "because my family needs me." The real reason: his wife's DUI doesn't look good and because the party dems wouldn't support him in the primaries. They are trying to knock down the low-lying fruit and the only way to do so is to have a candidate escape unscathed from the primaries and for the whole party to rally around one candidate early. Atleast that's what the political elites in the Ohio Democratic Party think, anyway. Forget what the electorate thinks. Or how the electorate would benefit from having a real primary.


 * There's no evidence to support the concept that the "bathtub story" was a lie; obviously there were no witnesses to such a private event, if it occurred. Until some such evidence comes out, I don't see how it would be fair to replace the man's own story with unsupportable speculation.  Obviously, anyone can lie about some unwitnessed private events in their own lives; if all such stories were unilaterally exorcised from Wikipedia, I would speculate that nearly all biograhical articles would suddenly become somewhat shorter.  Rlquall 22:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * A PBS documentary that can be seen on the DVD version of "The Right Stuff" explores this event for a couple minutes. It describes John Glenn as being very distraught and upset that he had to drop out of the race.  He is not a quitter.  Furthermore, it appears from the documentary that he was actually diagnosed with some form of vertigo.  Can anyone confirm this? --Milkncookie 04:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The story is confirmed in NASA's 40th anniversary extended bio of Glenn, which is itself well cited (supported by Nashville and NYT newspapers). He delayed his retirement from the Marine Corps until he made a full recovery from his injury. We're not big on conspiracy fringe theories here. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Earliest born astronaut?
From what I've read it seems that he became the oldest astronaut on his first flight in 1962! This would suggest that he was born earlier (July 18, 1921) than any other astronaut or cosmonaut (or taikonaut). --Anshelm &#39;77 02:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

At the time (1962) he would have been the oldest astronaut, since only a handful of people had ever been into space. This record was probably broken within a few years, however. Glenn maybe the only person to have set this "record" twice. Hellbound Hound (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Move into politics
How many other astronauts have become politicians? I know a few have gone up while serving (Glenn included). - Matthew238 02:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Harrison Schmitt was a Senator from New Mexico. Jack Swigert was elected to Congress in Colorado, but he died before taking office. His statue is at Denver International Airport. - User:mrego 01:28, 03 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed uncited assertion from article
I removed the following from the article, since I think it needs a cite if it is to be kept:
 * As Glenn passed over his hometown, a child in the neighborhood reportedly ran to the Glenn house shouting "Johnny dropped a bomb! Johnny dropped a bomb! Johnny dropped a bomb!" as the sonic boom shook the town.

-- The Anome 18:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is in his autobiography, which I don't have in front of me. I will cite it this week. Rkevins82 04:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The opening paragraph states: "He was the third American to fly in space and the first American to orbit the Earth aboard Friendship 7," which does not eliminate the possibility that other Americans in other vehicles orbited the earth before him. How about "He was the third American to fly in space and the first American to orbit the Earth. His spacecraft was called the Friendhip 7."? 172.144.203.141 05:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)RKH

Revert edit of 00:40, 7 May 2007 71.244.140.70
originally mis-attributed to edit of 18:55, 6 May 2007 ERcheck


 * This edit introduced spelling and wiki-quotation-mark flaws I could have just edited out. These must be fixed in any reversion.


 * Replacing "Magnet Ass" with "magnetic ***" where "Magnet Ass" had a proper citation from a book is not appropriate unless it can be justified from a reliable source. Before changing "Magnet Ass" to "magnetic ass" please show it's not in that book, show something contradictory from another reliable source, or dig through the article history and show "Magnet Ass" wasn't what was originally there.  Thanks.
 * "Magnet Ass" is correct. Your job is to relay accurate information, not to modify it to suit what you think people should see.
 * Another option: If such trivia or language is inappropriate for Wikipedia, bring it up here for discussion.  If the consensus is to remove that sentence, remove it.  d a v i d w r 09f9 03:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note, this edit that is referred to above was not made by me. It was the follow-on edit by 71.244.140.70 at 00:40, 7 May 2007.  See diff here. My edit at the time indicated above was a reversion of vandalism. &mdash; User: (talk) 03:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * My sincerest apologies for the mistaken identity. d a v i d w r 09f9 03:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Dubious
I do not have the video referenced, but it sounds more like a conspiracy theory "documentary" rather than an independent impartial verifiable source. It appears these two Italian brothers made many "impressive" and disputed claims. I've toned it down a bit, but I'd be quite happy with this paragraph being deleted altogether. (EhJJ)TALK 23:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot-created subpage
A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/John Glenn was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 22:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Gherman Titov
Gherman Titov was the second man to orbit the Earth (after Yuri Gagarin, who was the first man in space and the first to orbit the Earth). Alan Shepard was the second man in space. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.243.60.137 (talk) 01:20, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit ping-pong over whether Glenn's name should have suffix "Jr."
Can this be resolved by reference to how Glenn refers to himself? Although his first name John is different from his father's James, the initials are the same, so "J.Glenn" and "J.Glenn Jr." might have required disambiguation. RB1956 (talk) 23:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

is he third or fifith?
In the second line from the top of the article, it states john glenn is the third person and first american in space. Under the section titled NASA, it states john glenn is the fifth person and first american in space. Does anyone know which is correct? Is one just a typo? rj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.142.232.7 (talk) 16:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Read the intro again carefully. It says he was the third person to orbit the Earth. This is consistent with his being the fifth person in space because the second (Alan Shepard and third (Gus Grissom) did not orbit, but just made simple ballistic flights up into space and back down to the ocean.

New point: the link to "Well of Donors Dries Up for Clinton" is broken and requires a subscription to that site or something. Here is a functioning link to the article. I'm a noob and don't know how to change the link URL though. So here it is .

JustinTime55 (talk) 20:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Annie Glenn
I see on John's Glenn personal info that Annie Glenn's birthday is incorrect, its not 1943 but 1920. I don't know how to change that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.70.105 (talk) 13:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Television appearances
If I recall correctly John Glenn was on the old show "Name That Tune" with a kid named Eddie Hodges. The two were partners and Glen was shown in his marine dress blues each shown. Not sure how many times he appeared but it was several. The team was very appealing and ratings went up. This would be a interesting trivial note along with the Ted Williams/wingman point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.122.61.21 (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

John Glenn
Bold text John Glenn was born July 18 1921.He orbited the earth 3 times.in friendship 7 on Febuary 20 1962.He recived a congressional space medal of honor in 1978.He was inducted into the astronaut hall of fame in 1990.John Glenn was the oldest person to fly in space. When age at 77 he flew in discovery (sts-95).He was the third American in space — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.46.65.28 (talk) 23:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

New US Senator picture
Could someone find a more recent photo of John Glenn as a senator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.87.215 (talk) 18:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The Ohio State University
There are several places where "Ohio State University" (OSU) appears in the text. That university is quite insistent that the word "The" is part of its name, as the article on OSU points out: "Also in 1878, in light of its expanded focus, the college permanently changed its name to the now-familiar "The Ohio State University", with "The" as part of its official name."[8]

Although I will make the changes in the article, I wanted to document my reason for doing so. Wikifan2744 (talk) 02:55, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Fringe theory about his NASA retirement
I'm clipping the following from the article; notice it's not cited:


 * "Some accounts of Glenn's years at NASA suggest that Glenn was prevented from flying in Gemini or Apollo missions, either by President Kennedy, or by NASA management, on the grounds that the subsequent loss of a national hero of such stature would seriously harm or even end the manned space program (for similar reason, the Soviet program grounded Yuri Gagarin from further flights). Yet Glenn resigned from the NASA Astronaut Corps on January 30, 1964, well before even the first Gemini crew was assigned."

Sounds like an urban myth; requires verification of notability if it's a fringe theory. Also, it's well documented that Glenn's resignation date was January 16. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Hi Cyberbot II, so more than a year latter, we need to check the links above?--2600:8805:A001:C900:38D9:8760:3AF7:F734 (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Discrepancy with the F-8 Crusader article.
This article says that Glenn flew an F8U-3P on his supersonic, cross continental flight - The Crusader article says it was an F8U-1P, and contains no mention of a 3P version ever existing. I don't know enough about the subject to say for certain which one is correct, but I'm sure someone else does. --Stickie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.224.20 (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Discrepancy in number of Distinguished Flying Crosses
Hi all-between the "Korean War" and "Test Pilot" sections there seems to be a discrepancy in the number of Distinguished Flying Crosses Glenn received. "Korean War" mentions "six occasions" on which he won the DFC, then in "Test Pilot" he is awarded his fifth DFC for his supersonic transcontinental flight. I don't know ~anything~ about flying, service medals, or anyhting so I don't know where to find good sources to clear this up, but I thought it'd be worth flagging to someone's attention. Nitsua60 (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Nominated for In the News
-Ad Orientem (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Aren't these notifications kind of silly? This guy was one of the most famous people in the U.S. for 55 years. Now he has died.  We have a section called "In the News."  His death is news regardless of the quality of his article - and anyway, it isn't a terrible article, maybe it could use some improvement, but why does that dictate whether his death is "news" on Wikipedia or not?  Neutron (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Being "In the News" is only part of the equation. Article quality is an important consideration when we are talking about linking on the main page. There have been more than a few recent deaths and even signifcant news events that did not get posted due to shortcomings in AQ. Having said that I am noting that there has already been significant improvement in the article and if this continues I would expect it to be posted in due course. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hopefully "due course" occurs before his death ceases to be "news". I suspect that at some very high level of "fame", a person's death will make "In the News" without any discussion of the quality of their article. I can think of a couple of examples but will refrain from naming them since they are living persons.  One non-living example is Muhammad Ali, although I do not know exactly what discussions attended his appearance "ITN" after he died. Apparently John Glenn did not make the cut, in Wikipedia's collective view.  Neutron (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Glenn has been posted to the RD section of ITN. The discussion over a blurb is ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Citation needed?

 * Note to CN taggers: all of these factoids can be searched with Google news and cited as quickly as adding the tag. --Light show (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Scottish American?
Request to include the late John Glenn as a Scottish American.

Both his surname and his mother's maiden name are of Scottish origin.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Glenn

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Sproat

He is also a Presbyterian which is fits the pattern as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:17A:A500:4065:2900:8EB6:34AB (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


 * He's a few generations born into the US if you look at the sources in the article. I don't think it would be appropriate.MartinezMD (talk) 00:12, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In addition, over the centuries many surnames of specific origin were adopted by and/or given to people of a different origin, voluntarily (often to avoid prejudice associated with their original family name), upon immigration to America at Ellis Island, or for other reasons. We cannot describe John Glenn as a Scottish American because his surname might have a Scottish origin, as that would be an unfounded assumption. We do not construct our own "facts" based on "patterns".   General Ization   Talk   02:02, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And in fact it would be an erroneous assumption, as according to the genealogical site already linked in the article, the earliest paternal ancestor of Glenn's who was not born in America was Irishman David Glenn (c. 1751-1821), born in County Derry, Northern Ireland, who had immigrated to Pennsylvania by 1789, and whose father Gabriel also died in Pennsylvania c.  1802.  (This does not make Glenn an Irish American.)  General Ization   Talk   02:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

4th Fighter Wing
In the infobox it mentions that he served with the 4th Fighter Wing (USAF) as well as the 51st, but there is nothing in the article about any service with the 4th. --rogerd (talk) 20:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been looking for any reliable information about this, but apart from claims in forum postings and the like I can't find solid information to say that he was ever in the 4th. That should probably be removed - I cannot do so since the page is protected. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 21:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Not sure how reliable this is, but I found this source. *[archiving editor has manually removed link to article on blacklisted worldlibrary website] MartinezMD (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That page is copied from an earlier version of Wikipedia's own article on the 4th Fighter Wing. It cannot be used as a source for this. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That doesn't surprise me. I've removed the 4thFW from the infobox then.MartinezMD (talk) 22:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks all of you for your research. I was going to look into it later when I had time, but you beat me to it.  Thanks again.  --rogerd (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. If a reliable source is found we can always add it back. You'd think Glenn would have written a book mentioning it however if it had been the case.MartinezMD (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016
The below fixes a bad 'ref' tag from "<ref" to "

Post-fix: Glenn resigned from NASA on January 16, 1964, and the next day announced his candidacy as a Democrat for the U.S. Senate from his home state of Ohio. On February 26, 1964, Glenn suffered a concussion from a slip and fall against a bathtub; this led him to withdraw from the race on March 30.[29] Core module (talk) 00:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Fixed it. thanks for pointing it out. So many edits with him in the news that an error is bound to occur.MartinezMD (talk)

Senate career
25 years in the Senate and it's all about his campaigns and relationship with Metzenbaum. Then a mention about the Keating scandal. Is there nothing notable about his actual legislative career over two and a half decades? Niteshift36 (talk) 04:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, and have tagged the section with missing information. One would hope he did notable things (besides getting himself on the Shuttle) in that time, but maybe he was just "famous for being famous"? (like some other Democrat superstars). JustinTime55 (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, this had been addressed in the Issues section. Perhaps this was hard to see given the original section structure, which has since been redone. JustinTime55 (talk) 17:20, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

"Catchpole 2001" full citation missing
The "Catchpole 2001" reference does not link to a full citation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2016 (UTC)


 * --Light show (talk) 18:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Sizable article note
As the article body text is over 5,500 words, care should be taken in adding excessive or off-topic minutiae since it makes the article much harder to read. If fine details and trivia are added, they can always be placed in Notes. --Light show (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have any specific examples that have occurred? I expect this article to become rather sizable, as he performed a wide variety of important things throughout his life. Kees08 (talk) 23:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * See my recent edits. Details about planes, such as "VMF-311 was equipped with the F9F Panther jet fighter-bomber, and was assigned a variety of missions," in fact shouldn't even be in the notes, since it's an off-topic detail better kept in the article about the planes. Same with "VMO-155 re-equipped with the F4U Corsair in September 1943.
 * I am opposed to the use of notes. If it is completely unimportant, then it should be removed, not put in a note. I have stated in the military career section where he flew, with what units, and in what aircraft. This is important, and they were all incorrect in earlier versions. As Kees08 says, the article is not unduly long for someone with three notable careers. That VMO-155 re-equpped with the Corsair is important; Glenn is intimately associated with that aircraft. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to reformat all those added citations since they add excessive text to the references section, make the article harder to edit, and don't conform to the standard formatting used in most of the others. --Light show (talk) 23:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I would like proper references too. A proper reference section with the names of books and . Then we can use sfn templates. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Seek consensus on the talk page before making further changes to the "Military Career" section. I suggest you expand the "Political career" section instead. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not going to edit war over such a poor article. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to disagree with the way the notes are being used, at least in the space section. I could see before, when we were noting things like the names of other astronauts being selected with him. With the new edits, relevant information that is not extraneous is separated from the flow of the article, making the user go to multiple locations in the article to read it, instead of just reading it. If the reader doesn't want to read an article because it is long, no one is forcing them to. Kees08 (talk) 02:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to discuss which notes or portions of the notes you feel are relevant to the paragraph they're in. I've just reviewed them and most of them seem extraneous to the bio and shouldn't even be a note, since some are only trivia clutter taken from a book, ie.  As he passed over his hometown, a child in the neighborhood reportedly ran to the Glenn house shouting "Johnny dropped a bomb!" as the sonic boom shook the town.
 * The sourcing of notes is also questionable, as just the one above is cited as coming from a five page section of the book, which is a bit doubtful. --Light show (talk) 02:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think notes f and g belong inline with the article


 * Note "f" has the key relevant details about the flight already: He made his splashdown 800 miles southeast of Cape Canaveral safely after his 4 hour, 55 minute flight. The note goes into excess technical details. Personally, I wouldn't even add such details as a note since few readers will care, IMO.
 * Note "g" also has most of its facts already inline:  During the flight, he endured 7.8 G's of acceleration and traveled a total of 75,679 statute miles at about 17,500 mph. The apogee and perigee, which is undefined and already included in the Mercury-Atlas 6 main article hatnote for geometry whizzes, is still noted and doesn't require going to another article. --Light show (talk) 02:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I work on a lot of astronaut biographies and disagree, but I suppose this is a losing battle and will work on a different article. Kees08 (talk) 04:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Most of the material you added was good, IMO. Even some sections, such as Training, with details. It's only the trivial excess that's not somehow about him, that was treated as a note. It's all still there for those who want it.--Light show (talk) 05:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm probably being an ass for no reason. It really doesn't make a difference if it is in a note or not. I'll continue working on the article as I was. Thank you for all the work you have put into it! Kees08 (talk) 07:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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Recent edit
This edit is not accurate, is it? Diff  Kees08  (Talk)   00:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No. It's been reverted by another editor. I was amused by the characterisation of Glenn as a "payload".  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, but that editor only reverted one of the two edits. I do not think he was involved in the Chinese Civil War..?  Kees08  (Talk)   00:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was. He served in North China in 1946-47. See the oddly-named Operation Beleaguer article (which is linked from this one) for the role of the US Marines in that conflict.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up. All is well then!  Kees08  (Talk)   21:40, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Award ribbons
Wanted to discuss the award ribbons in the article. I have removed them from many astronaut articles, as I think they provide undue weight. My secondary concern is that they are often inaccurate and hard to verify. I would prefer to remove both the table and the ribbons for those reasons. I have listed all of his awards (without unit citations since they are for the unit) in the article's prose, so the information was captured in the article before. I used to like the award ribbons in the article, and a long time ago requested help in making them for articles on WP:MILHIST, but my opinion has evolved after working on a number of these articles. What are your thoughts?  Kees08  (Talk)   21:16, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Because they are included in the articles of many members of the armed forces, at the very least those members of the astronaut corps that served in the military, and therefore received awards for their service, should also have them included. In this, it's not their astronaut service that is being displayed, but their military service. Hammersfan (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Had it not been fully sourced, I would have removed it, but since it is, I felt obliged to let it stay. Were John Glenn a purely military figure (or the article was a content fork on his military career), I would have no concern about undue weight. We could adopt the solution I used with Thomas Blamey, which reduces the visual impact.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:24, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I am the one that fully sourced it, and then eventually removed it because it included things like the unit citations. None of the sources talk about what is on his ribbon bar, and I am not sure we have a good color image to determine it ourselves. Seems like OR to build it ourselves without having a source give it to us.  Kees08  (Talk)   21:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Image and source review
I wanted to make sure you were satisfied with the outcome of your review. I was a little surprised when the review was closed, since I did not see a declaration of support from you. Also, I had someone modify File:Friendship 7 insignia.jpg since you reviewed it, in case you wanted to re-review. I am still working on removing that specific NASA citation, I have been very busy and unable to do it quickly.  Kees08  (Talk)   21:18, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Kees08, I don't typically support based only on source or image reviews. I do see that some of the issues raised in the source review are still pending, such as the number of seconds of spaceflight (should be sourced or removed) or the reliability of freemasonsfordummies. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, sorry I did not mean an explicit support, but more of a 'yeah this all checks out' sort of outcome. I have been a bit busy and unable to get back to this so far, but I did purchase the book on Glenn's presidential run. It may be a good reference to add, it is about his candidacy from a political science perspective.  Kees08  (Talk)   01:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Time in space
The infobox states that Glenn's time in space is just 4 hours 55 minutes and some.. Shouldn't his 9 days, 19 hours and 54 minutes with STS-95/Discovery be added on? TorSch (talk) 18:29, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * There are two separate infoboxes.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, I see it now. My mistake, I'm sorry for bothering you. TorSch (talk) 00:58, 2 November 2018 (UTC)