Talk:John Hagelin

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Hagelin was invited to be a plenary speaker at the 2007 Quantum Mind conference in Salzburg, Austria, organized by Stuart Hameroff (University of Arizona) and Gustav Bernroider (University of Salzburg).

The square root of one percent
I realize that nobody cares, but I question the accuracy of the quotation of "the square root of one percent of the population". The square root of (one percent) is simply ten percent. The (square root of one) percent is one percent. Or is this a typo for "the square root of minus one percent" which may be some mystical reference to the quantum language of the probability-squared function? TomS TDotO (talk) 05:02, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I have pointed this out before on the TM talk page (that sqrt(1%) = 10%), and even changed the wording in the article to reflect the intended meaning, which is sqrt(P)/10. It just gets changed back.Rracecarr (talk) 14:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I don't understand your explanation. Why not just say "10%" or "1%" or "i%"? TomS TDotO (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell: the Maharishi effect was originally supposed to require 1% of a given population. With the advent of the Sidhi program, which was supposedly more powerful, it was necessary to shrink that requirement.  Rather than change the 1% requirement, the Maharishi decided to take the previous number (say, 100 people out of a population of 10,000) and take the square root of that number (giving 10 in this example).  Anyone fluent in mathematics would express this as, out of a population of P, sqrt(P)/10, but partly to retain the link to the former 1% claim, and partly, I think, due to mathematical illiteracy, the standard phrasing seems to be "the square root of one percent".  Rracecarr (talk) 16:38, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If I understand what you're saying, it is what I would express as "one percent of the square root of the population". But I've lost what little interest I had. TomS TDotO (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Nope. Ten percent of the square root of the population.  Not one percent. Over and out. Rracecarr (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * what they mean is described here from MUM; it says: "Taking into account the “1%” finding, it was predicted that a group with size equal to the square root of 1% of a population would have a measurable influence on the quality of life of that population. For example, a group of 200 practicing the TM-Sidhi program together in a city of four million (100 x 200 x 200) would be sufficient to produce a measurable influence on the whole city; a group of 1,600 in the U.S. would influence 256 million (100 x 1600 x 1600) people, the whole population of the U.S.; and a group of 7,000 would influence 4.9 billion (100 x 7000 x 7000) people, the population of the world at that time."


 * the ambiguity is which "of" to make the break at.  you are reading it as  the-square-root-of-one-percent of the population, but they mean the square root of one-percent-of-the-population.  The formula is:  # of mediators =  sqrt(population x .01) . Jytdog (talk) 19:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That is clear. Thank you. TomS TDotO (talk) 19:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Correct. :) Tom Ruen (talk) 21:19, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, which, again, is more concisely expressed as sqrt(population)/10. Rracecarr (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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