Talk:John Hartley (academic)

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QUT link mentions "This person does not currently hold a position at QUT."

http://staff.qut.edu.au/staff/hartleyj/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydwilde (talk • contribs) 08:44, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The PDF document which you can download here:

http://www.cci.edu.au/node/1349

Mentions:

"John Hartley AM, FAHA is Professor of Cultural Science and Director of the Centre for Culture and Technology (CCAT) at Curtin University in Western Australia." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydwilde (talk • contribs) 09:16, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Re-structure required
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I think the article needs a more defined structure, perhaps. Much of the details should probably be listed in chronological order, eg:
 * Lead paragraph: current first sentence and most notable achievements (perhaps the first paragraph, as it currently stands)
 * Early life: born UK, Sir Roger Manwood's School, BA at Cardiff
 * Academic career: ... almost everything else in the current article, but put it in chronological order
 * Bibliography: ...

One problem is that some the current statements are don't have obvious time frames, eg "has made major research contributions to the study of popular culture ..." so it's not clear where they should fit in. Others (eg "He has held academic positions at Murdoch University, the Polytechnic of Wales, and Edith Cowan University") don't currently have dates, but presumably we could get them.

Does anyone have any thoughts suggestions about structuring the article? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:44, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm working on this now... Mitch Ames (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

References and details required for some potentially WP:PEACOCK claims
Some of the statements in the article appear about too promotional, eg "best-selling book", "pioneer and international leader", "has made major research contributions". We need to quantify and provide references for these, else they risk being deleted as WP:PEACOCK. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Notes, References
I've moved the inlined (numbered) and non-inlined (bulletted) references back into a single section, because the number ones are definitely reference, not explanatory footnotes. (See WP:FNNR) The intent is to add inline cites for everything. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The page you linked is ambivalent on formatting footnotes and references. Hack (talk) 13:19, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:FNNR says "General references and other full citations may similarly be ... combined " and "Editors may use any citation method they choose." which is a link to WP:CITEVAR which says "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style ...it is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor ". For the purpose of determining the "established style" I suggest that these are the relevant edits: . Mitch Ames (talk) 13:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

major research contributions
I've deleted the sentence "Hartley has made major research contributions ..." because it is vague and unreferenced. I've no doubt that he has made major research contributions, but we need: Mitch Ames (talk) 09:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * more specific details
 * references

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