Talk:John Heaphy Fellowes

Obitu-graphy?
Another article written from an obituary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.17.45 (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Multiple sources, see refs.  — Rlevse • Talk  • 15:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Plus ça change...
"Commander Fellowes' captors, completely ignoring international agreements, subjected him to extreme mental and physical cruelties in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes."

Makes you think. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Alcatraz?
Please clarify how he was POW in Alcatraz. At the first glance it looks like a joke, but this text was by the original article creator. So I see three possibilities: In any case, an explanation is needed. 71.146.65.69 (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * it was a typo
 * There was an Alcatraz in Vietnam, just like there was a "Hilton".
 * He was interred on Alcatraz Island for some reason.

OK. Did some google research. The phrase in question was copied into the article from the cited source, so user:Rlevse is off the hook. On the other hand goole search for alcatraz+vietnam gives an interesting reference, which says that a group of tough inmates of Hoa Lo prison were known as the Alcatraz Gang. This may be the reason of the confusion. Please investigate it and fix. 71.146.65.69 (talk) 16:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Final stroke: wikipedia actually contains a relevant info: see George Thomas Coker! Please someone add an explanation, since I don't have time now to do a proper referencing. 71.146.65.69 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC).
 * Changed the article reference to "Alcatraz Grove" per the Coker article. "Alcatraz" seems to have been a slang term for a specific POW prison, as "Hanoi Hilton" for Hoa Lo. But can't find the Vietnamese designation for the "Alcatraz" or "Alcatraz Grove" facility. Geoff  Who, me?  17:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There were several small prisons around Hanoi these guys were moved to and from. Many of their Vietnamese names are unknown to us and only had a few cells. The "Hanoi Hilton" is known, it is called Hao Lo (pronounced "wah low") in Vietnamese.17:59, 17 May 2010 (UTC) (by Rlevse)
 * Alcatraz was one of the smaller compounds in the Hanoi area. Seems to have been in operation from around 1967 through 1968 or '69 and then briefly reactivated in 1970.Intothatdarkness (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Into is correct. There were several of these smaller prisons in North Vietnam. The American POWs gave all of the them nicknames. My favorite nickname is one prison called "Dirty Bird". Pumpkin Sky  talk  20:53, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

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