Talk:John Heisman

Image
The version of the picture from the cited article looks much better than the one we have. Perhaps we could swap, or someone could adjust the contrast on the existing one? I bet it'd just take running Auto Contrast in Photoshop. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 15:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Factual Item?
At Oberlin, Heisman was a player/coach. This team photo of the 1892 team shows Heisman in uniform.Speck22 (talk) 01:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Why the Heisman Trophy?
Why is the trophy named after him? Of all the coaches and players in the early era of college football (Walter Camp, Pop Warner, Fielding Yost, Knute Rockne), many of whom had more of an impact on the game, why Heisman? Just asking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rluttman (talk • contribs) 21:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jump Shift
The jump shift was one of his main innovations, with his teams using it on almost every play. Somebody more in-tune with, say, Georgia Tech history, should really write up something about it here. Cake (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * And another thing. Heisman pushed hard for the legalization of the forward pass (1906), but notice after two decent seasons at Tech in '04 and '05 - and he was already a southern legend for his work at Clemson and Auburn, the team takes a significant dive until 1915 when the unreal era of 200-point scores which makes Heisman a national one begins. Was it the pass that hindered him? Cake (talk) 08:30, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 20:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

McMath sources
Whoever added the McMath source cited page numbers just once despite using it a few times. For consistency's sake in how the sources are arranged, I assume all of those were from the original cited page, but it should be checked if any wikipedian has the book. Cake (talk) 01:48, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Atlanta Baseball
"Heisman eventually also coached track and became the head of the Atlanta Baseball Association and the athletic director of the Atlanta Athletic Club." - I assume the Atlanta Baseball Association refers to the Atlanta Crackers, of which Heisman was president of the group of owners. Cake (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

copyedit Oct 2016
and interested parties, I'm beginning copyedit on this article. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to express them. I tend to feel that the MOS is a collection of guidelines to help improve articles but that each article has its own needs. - Reidgreg (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you reidgreg. Not much to say aside from my two comments above, but I extend the same to you concerning questions or comments, and agree with your sentiment about MOS. Cake (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the Thanks! You're very welcome. The article was in good shape before and I hope I improved it a little, just the benefit of a fresh set of eyes, I'm sure. I feel it's definitely a B and on its way to a GA. A couple notes: That's it for now. I should be able to come back to this tomorrow for another look. - Reidgreg (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I left the sentence with the Atlanta Baseball Association alone until that's clarified.
 * I'd been wondering about the wording of His 1917 Georgia Tech Golden Tornado have been recognized as a national champion. To me "a national championship team" sounds better, but as I read further it seems the team was selected/declared champions without an actual championship game (in part due to the U.S. entering WWI).  So I believe it's accurate as stated, but does it sound odd?
 * Where it reads he played varsity football for Titusville High School in 1884, 1885, and 1886, I'd like to tighten that to a range from 1884 to 1886. However, this could change the meaning, if he only played partial seasons making the inclusiveness or a range misleading.
 * There might be potential for confusion in the last paragraph of Clemson, where there seem to be references to both University of Georgia and Georgia Tech. I also put a in there, which I assume would be "the following season".
 * In the section on Rice, I simplified as "any faculty member" as coaches aren't normally considered part of the faculty (ie: teaching staff) and Rice should be assumed. If Heisman was considered part of the faculty, that could be changed back.
 * Some of the quotes are a little long but I feel they illustrate the kind of speaker Heisman was, and encapsulate these moments in sports history.

Okay, I've finished my copyedit. One last suggestion, and this is for later if you're working toward a GAN, it could be a little more well-rounded as a biography, maybe with more about his acting career and family life. That one source says he left Auburn to pursue acting full-time until Clemson gave him a lucrative offer (and even then he still landed roles in productions across the south, presumably in the off-season). And the article notes his divorce but not his marriage, and whether or not they had children. Just a suggestion. - Reidgreg (talk) 15:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I took a quick pass at the article (being semi-familiar with it). I feel it's a solid B-class but will leave it at GoCE Requests for a fresh set of eyes. I did a couple tweaks for clarity and took out some overlinking (better to have too much linking than to little while building the article). I also feel Trinity, German, and actor are common terms and unlikely links for the reader to follow, but I left them in. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure how I missed responding to these further comments. Thanks again. Cake  (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If it said "Atlanta Baseball Club" I would be sure it meant the Crackers, and am still pretty confident. It sounds like what the NCAA is to college football, the "Atlanta Baseball Association" is to the Atlanta Crackers, or the University Athletic Association is to the Florida Gators. But I confess that's just applying induction - it doesn't come from the documents.
 * It was the lone national champion; the unanimous national champion, so I change "a" to "the" in hopes it helps, but it might not. "Were recognized as national champion" might flow better but doesn't taken into account the retroactive nature of some of the selections.
 * Agreed here. ✅
 * Not sure how to handle this, but took a swing at fixing it.
 * The quote about Tootsie's punt in the blizzard in particular I've tried to narrow down, but have failed to find where to cut it. It's a nice addition to both the 1902 Vols article and Heisman's article. Cheers. Cake  (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * on German, it'd be nice to find out what kind of German his parents were. Cake  (talk) 13:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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