Talk:John Holmes (actor)

Biography
All information in Wonderland Murders from upcoming Bio (verified) NEW INSERT INFORMATION ADDED-POSTING HERE BEFORE ADDING IT BACK IN AS ADVISED. If it still needs to be more specific, I will change it yet again. It is also widely believed, and widely diputed that a young teenaged girl known as Annie, another of Holmes underage lovers who was pregnant at this time, was present at the Wonderland murders, but hidden in a closet, protected by Holmes (interviews by JH Adams for the biography "Aces & Eights, 2007). A friend of the Wonderland residents, she was believed to have been assaulted at Nash's residence by several male guests a few days before the robbery, thus giving Holmes and the Wonderland gang reason for the personal humiliation of Nash and his bodyguard. (Aces & Eights, 2007, The Other Hollywood, Legs McNeil "robbery done in a demeaning manner", statement of Sharon Holmes in Wadd,attributed to John Holmes of "demeaning" way robbery carried out). Friends of the Wonderland residents speculated the baby was likely Ron Launius's, not Holmes's, accounting for Launius's particular venomous attack on Nash during the robbery as alleged in a forthcoming bigraphy by author J.H. Adams who utilized crime scene reports and interviews for the forthcoming book.

According to neighbors who had been interviewed by the police, it has been alleged that the girl was already in the home before the murders, having been a visitor, and Holmes used her to open the door from the inside and unknowingly give easy access to the interior for the killers, the intent being to not to alert the sleeping occupants of the home (from copies of confidential police reports, Aces & Eights). The Wonderland gang were known to be armed and may have been on alert, anticipating some sort of revenge for the robbery (Porn King, 1998). They were also aware of a threat by a person known as "Sam", a dealer/hit man to whom they owed a large amount of money according to a Hustler's 1983 article and John Holmes'Autobiography "Porn King". Autopsy reports and a video tape including actual crime scene footage was released along with the "WADD" documentary and shows the victims were beaten mercilessly and were barely recognizable. Annie was reportedly hidden by Holmes in the large walk-in closet in Ron Launius's bedroom, where, as can be seen on the LAPD crime scene footage, is inches from where Susan was found. It was reported that Nash let Holmes remove the girl from harms way in exchange for Holmes getting her to open the door and his later cooperation in the form of silence about the events of that night. A detective who worked on the murder, Frank Tomlinson stated that Holmes said "if he cooperated someone he loved would die (The Other Hollywood, Wadd documentary). Nash reportedly gave Holmes several hundred dollars after the murders, a fact which Holmes reveals in his Autobigraphy "Porn King" and also in the book "The Other Hollywood" by Legs McNeil. Part of the money was used to send the girl back east, the rest to get Holmes and Dawn out of town as well. Police have never confirmed nor refuted this element of the story, perhaps to preserve the ongoing investigation or the safety of the girl. The extent of involment of this young girl has come under more serious scrutiny in recent years. According to newspaper articles and websites (Court TV.com, Morning Call.com and the Express-Times,1993). This same young girl was arrested 11 years after the Wonderland murders, accused of killing another young woman over a drug deal gone wrong. Newspapers at the time described the killing as "execution style" ("Police describe slaying as execution style" Express-Times, 1993). If convicted, she faced the death penalty ("Death penalty may be sought for Emmaus Woman in slaying" Morning-Call, 1993). She was acquitted, just as Holmes had been acquitted in the Wonderland killings ("Defendant acuitted of all charges in woman's murder" Morning Call, 1994). In 2005 an Ohio newspaper ran an obituary for this girl, so the truth will likely never be known (Ancestry.com death notices, Columbus-Dipatch.com, 2005). Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Holmes_%28actor%29"

Circumstances of His Becoming Involved in Porn Industry?
The article jumps roughly from his early personal life to his being a porn star without any discussion of how that came to pass, a description of which would help flesh out the text more. There was man that seen him peeing at at a bathroom.and told him he should do porn, when he saw his penis.

Pumped penis?
The sizes and "wobbliness" of his member are characteristic of using a pump to force more blood into the penis. Probably that should be mentioned with references. 213.149.51.72 (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Problem is, they don’t make pumps that big. Guys with a tool as massive as a John’s don’t need them, so nobody makes one that big. 2601:547:202:A400:7D78:40A4:9377:6BA0 (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You got that straight. John was HUGE. The “wobble” was due simply to his massive proportions. And no, they do not make pumps that big. 98.236.75.89 (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 May 2022

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– Page views indicate the porn actor is the primary topic by an extremely wide margin. John Holmes is currently one of the most viewed disambiguation pages on Wikipedia, and WikiNav indicates about 99 percent (upper bound) of outgoing page views from the dab are for the actor. Schierbecker (talk) 07:04, 26 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. -- lettherebedarklight –  晚安  ( おやすみなさい ). 08:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * John Holmes (actor) → John Holmes
 * John Holmes → John Holmes (disambiguation)
 * Why not name this page “Johnny Wadd”? Mr. Holmes was far more well known by his Johnny Wadd moniker during his heyday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:202:A400:68F6:61D8:F704:E228 (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 99% is the upper bound, but the lower bound is 60% (see Wikinav). – Uanfala (talk) 11:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Far too many people by this name for a viable primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, 99 percent of views go to the actor? Easy choice. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose the current setup makes it much easier to spot incorrect incoming links with multiple people with this name.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Leaning oppose based on the sheer number of subjects sharing this common combination of given name and surname, some of whom are likely to be at least as historically important as the actor. BD2412  T 22:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"Gideon Richards" listed at Redirects for discussion
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NOT NEWS
Why do we have newspaper style quotes in this article? I removed them, but was reverted. I feel like my edit was an improvement per WP:NOTNEWS. Prcc27 (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)