Talk:John Honeyman

Wife
I assume when it says his wife died in 1901, it means 1801? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.100.89.51 (talk • contribs).

Nature of Information obtained
What kind of information did Honeyman obtain? The main article could be improved by discussing the information, even if it is speculative. I would think that both troop count, and the extent of the meat supply, was extremely relevant to Honeyman's role as a butcher. 216.99.198.11 (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

American
The American Revolution was a rebellion of some of the colonials of British North America. To describe Honeyman as an "American spy", and that he served the "American cause" is simply incorrect. He was a rebel spy who served the rebel cause. Both rebels and loyalists were Americans.101.98.175.68 (talk) 20:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, Honeyman was a Loyalist and the whole spy story is a myth made up by his descendants (daughter and grandson) and not first published until 1876 by the grandson. You may find the Alexander Rose 2008 article from the CIA's Studies in Intelligence Journal which is cited in the external links interesting for a debunking of the "spy who never was." Rose is certainly a reliable source, as is David Hackett Fischer, who also rejects the story. The article needs to be rewritten with even more skepticism than given in the last section.


 * As to your specific point, I would have used American Patriot (if Honeyman in fact had been one) but I think many people today would not bother either because they are not much familiar with Loyalists or because they don't want to go into fine detail. I suggest most people today probably would simply call one side "the American" and the other side "the British," not really thinking about, or even knowing about, the oversimplification. That does not mean a little more precision in the article, at least on the first occurrence of terms or characterizations, would not be better. I simply give it as a possible explanation. Donner60 (talk) 05:21, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

This is strongly disputed at http://www.timeoutofmind.com/pdf/in_defense_of_john_honeyman_the_spy_of_general_washington.pdf. John Van Dyke, who wrote the account in 1873, was a judge, a justice of the New Jersey Supreme Court, and a Congressman, at a time, unlike today, when that implied probity and character. A. Van Doren Honeyman, the editor of Our Home was also a respected author of seven non-fiction books. Rose's essay is entirely supposition, based upon the premise that slender evidence is rather evidence of falsehood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.79.7.57 (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

La Morte de Wolfe
I tried to insert a reference

to be a footnote, but it insisted on being inserted as a numbered list, at that point, consuming the remainder of the article. None of the characters are in the list requiring percent encoding at wiki/Help:Footnotes. it works fine here. I have no idea why it doesn't work in the main article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.79.7.57 (talk) 21:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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