Talk:John Horton Conway/Archive 1

Another Conway
There is also another mathematician called John Conway (working in complex analysis and associated with Indiana University). Perhaps there should be some mention of this in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.80.205 (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2005 (UTC)


 * Despite having his book, and having attended IU, I was never tempted to confuse the two. Septentrionalis 18:43, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Infobox Discussion
The infobox on the Conway article has been removed. Please discuss your arguments for removal or retention in order to acheive consensus. Here is a sample to remind you what it looked like:

bunix 03:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, over a week has passed and there have been no dissenting voices. So I am now reverting the infobox. In future, please discuss here before doing large removals. bunix 08:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry not to have noticed this; but I would think a much shorter infobox would be preferable. This takes up half the page with repetitions. Septentrionalis 17:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I personally don't like this infobox very much. I think it's better to have the info in prose form in the body of the article.  In any case, the infobox is much too long.  --C S (Talk) 00:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have ruthlessly shortened it to comply with your suggestions. If anyone else has anymore suggestion or arguments for and against inclusion of stuff, I am happy to try to oblige. Best regards, bunix 01:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Link to videos of lectures of Conway
Hi, give a link to several online articles of Conway : http://www.math.princeton.edu/facultypapers/Conway/ the tiles are Lectures

Calendar Conundrums Archimedes and His World Cantor's Infinities Goedel and Undecidability Geometry, Logic and Physics Escher and Symmetry Finally, Fun

at lease some of them have been read at Northwestern U. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.55.10.104 (talk) 21:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Family
I'm sure that Conway has been married three times. His second wife was Lara Queen (also a mathematician), the mother of Alex (fondly termed the "Baby Monster") and Oliver. I don't know the dates, though. Richard Pinch 11:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * John has indeed been married three times. First wife Eileen, second wife Larissa, third wife Diana. His son Alex was born in 1983, and Oliver in 1988, to answer the below question.


 * Diana Conway 24.225.176.66 03:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Image
On the same page as the image here now, there are a few other images, including one much less blurry and in color. Should it perhaps be changed? N Shar 00:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, there may be problems with images from that site. They don't know for certain that the pics are public domain, and the one taken by Paul Halmos, for example, is almost certainly not in public domain.  I had a picture of RH Bing that I got from the site, deleted because it was not clearly public domain.  So I suspect the pic in the article too may raise issues.  --C S (Talk) 07:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Thane Plambeck has provided a good, recent, fully cc-by-2.0 licensed photo. He even cleared it with JHC.Dan Hoey 17:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool, in color and an interesting angle. --C S (Talk) 17:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Game theory
An entire section on game theory was removed by anon 24.225.224.116. Thoughts? Tom Ruen 20:59, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, I didn't even notice that had happened! Obviously it shouldn't have been removed.  It looks inadvertent, so I've added it back.  --C S (Talk) 21:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Cellular Automata
"... the Game of Life, a cellular automata". Hm. Automata is plural, and the Game of Life is just one example of a cellular automaton, but the link is to the plural form. How do we handle this? Andrew 06:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Angel problem
The article stated that the angel problem was solved in 2006. I removed it, please give a source, the article angel problem says it's still unsolved. 83.23.241.179 12:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the lede of angel problem said that, although the body didn't really say that. But I admit the situation would have been hard to make out anyway as the info that two of the four claimed proof was published had been removed.  That info has been re-added.  --C S (Talk) 12:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, I should change the lede too! --C S (Talk) 12:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

references?
I am surprised that there are basically no cited references in this page and that various biographical facts are not explicitly sourced. It should be easy enough to provide explicit references for most salient facts (honors, prizes, etc). Regards, Nsk92 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ph.D. dissertation
Anyone know what was the title of his Ph.D. dissertation? Kier07 (talk) 03:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Mathematics Genealogy Project
The Mathematics Genealogy Project gives 18 students of Conway. This entry needs correlating with that, 66.130.86.141 (talk) 02:26, 25 December 2009 (UTC)John McKay

Retired?
Article says "Conway is currently professor of mathematics at Princeton University" I am sure he is still very actively but in employment terms isn't he retired? I make him 71? --BozMo talk 10:24, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, professors (tenured?) in the US do not automatically retire at any age. (See e.g. this.) Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Shreevatsa (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow learn something every day. Poor guy. He lectured me at Cambridge but I was never sure if he was worn out or hung over. --BozMo talk 15:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Having had Professor Conway for my freshman year math class at Princeton in 2005, I can attest to his unimaginable brilliance, worn out or hung over. He is still a professor, and still teaches- though he is somewhat less active since his stroke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.2.118.253 (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Michael Guy
I changed a mistaken reference from Richard Guy to Michael Guy in regards to uniform polychora. Tom Ruen 21:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Michael Guy now points to a musician. I am replacing the mathematical links I can find that now point to his article to Michael J. T. Guy. —David Eppstein 03:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Michael Guy once again points at the right Guy. In future, please use a link to Michael Guy (computer scientist) (which will forever avoid the disambiguation problem with Michael Guy (musician)). HairyWombat 23:41, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

"Various" wives?
Surely someone can do better than: "He has seven children by various marriages".

Most biographical articles manage to give names to the women involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.174.7 (talk) 07:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Added the names of his first two wives from section above. HairyWombat 18:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Apperance
This guy looks like Ronald Graham. 121.7.54.103 (talk) 08:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The four-year-old Conway
This article states that "[Conway's] mother recalled that he could recite the powers of two when he was four years old."

Can someone supply a reference for this? I find this somewhat difficult to believe. Even assuming that Conway began reciting the powers of two the moment he turned four years old (on 26 December 1941), and assuming he spoke at the rate of one power-of-two each second, by the time his fifth birthday arrived he would have reached only as high as 231535999, and based on my limited math background I am fairly sure there are even higher powers of two than this. If someone does have a reference, however, then the quote should remain, since it would then be verifiable per Wikipedia guidelines. &mdash; Lawrence King ( talk ) 23:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Conway offering $1,000 for solutions to any of five problems
He is very eager to see solutions to any of the problems listed in "Conway's $1,000 Problems". Should an entry like this appear on his wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.103.18 (talk) 23:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Quotes
"I’m sorry, I’m used to saying “naught”. I’ll try to say “zero”. (pause) No, I won’t try. You can all just learn to be naughty."

"Zero plus zero is naught, depending on what side of the Atlantic I'm on."

"The method of learning things is to work it out, you know, on scraps of paper, and then lose all those scraps of paper."

"Any large number is finite, and you can start thinking about it as 3."

"I started to think about the sum of games to learn more about Go. I now know a lot about sums of games—and still nothing about Go." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.7.224 (talk) 03:37, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

How many kids?
Does he have seven children or nine? The article contradicts itself. Mgolden (talk) 04:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The source bio says 7, so I removed the strange final sentence that said 9. Tom Ruen (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Seven. I’m his wife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.248.68.241 (talk) 12:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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overciting in the lead
Usually (as a summary of the (sourced) main text) the lead doesn't need any citations as all. The lead here is rather short and doesn't seem to contain anything controversial, so there seems really no need for the current citation extravaganza. Moreover all those citation may create the (superficial) impression for readers, there might be an issue with the article or dispute over content (the common cause for such massive citations in the lead).--Kmhkmh (talk) 07:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2020
(born 26 December 1937) is —> (26 December 1937-April 11, 2020) was

(Can wait until the news is reported to approve) 72.221.56.7 (talk) 21:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  21:15, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the request; there'll be a sourcing discussion just above, and then I assume someone will enact this edit after that finishes. For now, we don't need to leave this one open. I don't doubt that there will be lots of eyes on the article and someone ready to make the edit. Enterprisey (talk!) 21:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2020
need to be added dead time KSEltar (talk) 21:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌ duplicate of above, this is awaiting confirmation. User:GKFXtalk 21:38, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Russian article may have some content to merge in
I just noticed that the Russian Wikipedia article ru:John Horton Conway is pretty detailed. There might be some info there we could use to expand the article here. 70.172.136.61 (talk) 04:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

The Triangle Book
The article lists The Triangle Book as if it was published, but it wasn't. Some websites (sometimes referring to each other) indeed have pages for that book as if it existed and even provide ISBN, but, as explained here, it does not mean it really existed. Indeed, some websites claim that the book was published in 2004, but both Conway's 2015 biography Genius At Play by S. Roberts and a 2016 text The Triangle by Richard Guy say that The Triangle Book has not been published. --colt_browning (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * --colt_browning (talk) 14:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * In fact, here (first two minutes) Conway himself says that The Triangle Book is still not written. So I remove The Triangle Book from the article. --colt_browning (talk) 10:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

What does it even mean to confirm something?
It seems that only a newspaper article counts as "confirming" an event like someone's death. But where do newspapers get their information? They get it from people who know the person and can confirm. But we already have information from the primary sources. So it seems somewhat strange for us to rely so heavily on newspapers. What exactly is a "reliable source"? (Note: saying this as someone who knew Conway in person and knows many others personally who know him much better.) Calc rulz (talk) 04:32, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I know people who knew JHC, and I have gotten a "death from COVID-19 not confirmed" message. (IOW, acknowledging his death.) Anyway, bad news will keep. Let us all wash our hands. Billbrock (talk) 04:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Here is the relevant portion of Wikipedia's policy. I trust you will find it informative. NedFausa (talk) 04:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * More broadly, there's a concept, Newspaper of Record, that sufficiently reputable newspapers are capable of being authoritative by virtue of a history of reputable reporting. Good news papers cite sources in order to remain reputable and create a chain of sourcing in the case that they are mislead, or to guard against legal retaliation. In the US as well, a number of legal actions require a declaration in some grade of paper in order to enter it into the public record, commonly Name Changes, police activity of certain types, and deaths notices in certain circumstances. 68.54.2.135 (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Early life sourcing
The early life section currently has a BLP sources section tag. Since the article is protected, I cannot add the sources directly, but here is my attempt at finding sources for each uncited claim:


 * "He became interested in mathematics at a very early age. By the age of eleven his ambition was to become a mathematician."
 * Quote: "Born on December 26, 1937, in Liverpool, England, John, as his mother once recalled, became interested in mathematics at a very early age, reciting the powers of two when he was four years old. Also, from a young age he could calculated the day of the week for any given date [...] At age eleven, his headmaster asked what he wanted to do with his life and he replied: “I want to read mathematics at Cambridge.”"
 * Quote: "At the age of 11, Conway announced that his career goal was to become a mathematics professor at Cambridge University"
 * "He was awarded his Bachelor of Arts degree in 1959 and began to undertake research in number theory supervised by Harold Davenport. Having solved the open problem posed by Davenport on writing numbers as the sums of fifth powers, Conway began to become interested in infinite ordinals."
 * Quote: "[...] Conway became a scholarship student at Gonville and Caius College of Cambridge Unversity, where he earned a bachelor's degree in mathematics in 1959. He continued his studies at Cambridge, conducting graduate-level research under the direction of number theorist Harold Davenport. For his doctoral dissertation he solved an open problem from classic number theory by proving that every positive integer can be written as the sum of 37 integers, each raised to their fifth power. While in graduate school, he became interested in mathematical logic and the properties of transfinite numbers, or numbers that specify different degrees of infinity."
 * "He was awarded his doctorate in 1964 and was appointed as College Fellow and Lecturer in Mathematics at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge. After leaving Cambridge in 1986, he took up the appointment to the John von Neumann Chair of Mathematics at Princeton University."
 * Quote: "He graduated from Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge in 1959 and received a Ph.D. at Cambridge in 1964. In the same year he became a Lecturer in Pure Mathematics and a Fellow at Sidney Sussex College. [...] In 1986 he left Cambridge for Princeton University to become John von Neumann Chair of Mathematics."
 * Quote: "[...] Conway became a scholarship student at Gonville and Caius College of Cambridge Unversity, where he earned a bachelor's degree in mathematics in 1959. He continued his studies at Cambridge, conducting graduate-level research under the direction of number theorist Harold Davenport. For his doctoral dissertation he solved an open problem from classic number theory by proving that every positive integer can be written as the sum of 37 integers, each raised to their fifth power. While in graduate school, he became interested in mathematical logic and the properties of transfinite numbers, or numbers that specify different degrees of infinity."
 * "He was awarded his doctorate in 1964 and was appointed as College Fellow and Lecturer in Mathematics at Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge. After leaving Cambridge in 1986, he took up the appointment to the John von Neumann Chair of Mathematics at Princeton University."
 * Quote: "He graduated from Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge in 1959 and received a Ph.D. at Cambridge in 1964. In the same year he became a Lecturer in Pure Mathematics and a Fellow at Sidney Sussex College. [...] In 1986 he left Cambridge for Princeton University to become John von Neumann Chair of Mathematics."
 * Quote: "He graduated from Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge in 1959 and received a Ph.D. at Cambridge in 1964. In the same year he became a Lecturer in Pure Mathematics and a Fellow at Sidney Sussex College. [...] In 1986 he left Cambridge for Princeton University to become John von Neumann Chair of Mathematics."

Can someone please add these refs and remove the silly tag? Thank you. 70.172.136.61 (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the cites! John_Abbe (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

He died today
https://mobile.twitter.com/cardcolm/status/1249038195880341505

CiaPan (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Does seem legit:. No authoritative source yet that I can find. Szarka (talk) 23:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)


 * death_date        = April 11, 2020
 * death_place       = Princeton, New Jersey, US

I think we can call it official at this pont: Szarka (talk) 00:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Sam Wang's twitter post is RS in my opinion, per WP:SPS. Wang is one of Conway's Princeton colleagues. 2601:648:8202:96B0:E0CB:579B:1F5:84ED (talk) 02:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * David Spergel also confirms. . 2601:648:8202:96B0:E0CB:579B:1F5:84ED (talk) 03:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Original source appears to have been Conway's ex-wife. Princeton Univ. is working on an announcement, "Wikipedia editors are standing by, of course".  Reddit reports that he got the Covid19 infection from being adjacent to 4 or more mathematicians, or alternatively from being quarantined adjacent to less than 2. 2601:648:8202:96B0:E0CB:579B:1F5:84ED (talk) 03:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

JHC's biographer Siobhan Roberts is also a https://twitter.com/sioroberts/status/1249070367039090688?s=20 reliable source. (Obviously she is relying on reports of others.) Undue conservatism in my opinion to revert Recent Death Presumed template, but not worth an edit war. Life is hairy in NY & NJ right now. Billbrock (talk) 04:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Articles by Maddmaths.com and tech.sinacom/cn are based solely on the controversial tweets. I'd suggest a full protection of the article. Litlok (talk) 07:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Full protection has been done by another editor. — Lentower (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Conway's death
Conway's death has been reported by the Guardian, see https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/12/coronavirus-live-pope-easter-lockdown-us-death-toll-uk-boris-johnson-donald-trump-?page=with:block-5e92c7a08f082dfd549d4eea#liveblog-navigation. I hope that this is considered a sufficiently reliable source. 188.108.106.171 (talk) 12:42, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a live report, and as such it is evanescent, not an article written by a journalist. Moreover, it is based on the same controversial tweets. Litlok (talk) 13:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Might this do https://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/13614-john-conway-dies-from-coronavirus.html it sources the information to his biographer. -- Cimon Avaro&#59; on a pogostick. (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * To be honest, neither of these sources appear appropriate. I'd rather that we wait. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I concur neither of these sources are reliable. They don't meet WP:RS, etc.  Let's wait.  One point is that Sue Gee is not a known reliable journalist.  I just reverted. — Lentower (talk) 16:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Le Scienze is the foremost scientific magazine in Italy. They confirmed his death. https://twitter.com/le_scienze/status/1249246638763175936
 * I think this is now a matter of principle, we all know he is dead, we all mourn him (I hope), but some of us have insisted so much on a proper source at the beginning of this discussion (when the sources were flimsy) that they have become irreceptive of the much better sources we have now. At this point, if Conway were alive, we'd have sources confirming he's alive.
 * --80.104.182.248 (talk) 16:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Dutch newspaper of record NRC Handelsblad has now published an article on his death. TheNk22 (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * What else do we need? A signed statement by Conway himself?
 * I invoke the Snowball clause.
 * --80.104.182.248 (talk) 17:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Look, if Conway really did pass away yesterday (which of course is looking extremely likely right now), it'll probably only be a day or two before there's absolutely irrefutable confirmation available online. There's nothing to be lost in waiting. Gaiacarra (talk) 18:09, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * He now has an obituary in a local Daily Voice website; this seems pretty irrefutable to me, no? https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/saddlebrook/obituaries/covid-19-kills-renowned-princeton-mathematician-game-of-life-inventor-john-conway-in-3-days/786461/ Jokullmusic 18:47, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Contrary to what said, there are some reasons to update sooner. It would reduce the confusion readers experience when seeing the article still talking about Conway as if he were still alive. Also, if we wait multiple days, his death will be too stale to list for "In the News" on the Main Page, which would be a shame IMO. 70.172.136.61 (talk) 18:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Seriously, what other sources do you want? Is the most important printed newspaper of a country a source reliable enough? Is the most important printed science magazine a source reliable enough? Because if you say NO to these, then when tomorrow you'll have an article on the NY Times claiming he's dead, it won't pass your criteria, either.
 * What is wrong with following reliable sources NOW, and correcting the article if somehow it will happen that newspapers, magazines, his biographer and all the world got it wrong and he is hopefully still alive?
 * --80.104.182.248 (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The problem is that there haven't really been any reliable sources per Wikipedia standards. The Daily Voice article I linked above is the first real reliable source I've seen, and I believe it was just published a few minutes ago. Jokullmusic 18:51, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're right, there's been some other notable newspapers internationally that you've listed above that seem equally as reliable. Erring on the side of caution is the policy with BLP articles but I do think it's at the point now where there's enough reliable sourcing. Jokullmusic 18:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Erring on the side of caution is one thing. Claiming that major newspapers and major scientific magazines aren't reliable sources is something entirely different. I sincerely hope no one will now disagree.--80.104.182.248 (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. The media is mostly reporting on the Coronavirus at the moment so even the report of a famous mathemathician's death may get blown under the radar. Do we really have to wait until The New York Times or the Washington Post reports on his death? One of the most useful aspects of Wikipedia has always been settling debates about whether someone is alive or dead. If none of the famous media report on his death, this article might keep him alive indefinitely. Someone Not Awful (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Wait: NRC Handelsblad did not cite its source of their info on his death. I used Goggole Translate to verify. The Priceton Daily Voice cites a colleague Wang. Good journalist practice is at least two sources, as my read of WP:BLP does.. Let's wait for a 2nd WP:RS to give a source other then Wang. The NY Times, WP, The Guardian will all publish Obits soon. WP:BLP urges care here. Let's respect our WP Policies & Guidelines. 19:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It may take a while. The frontpages of the sites of all three papers you mentioned are dominated by Coronavirus articles. Someone Not Awful (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Click thru to their Obit sections? For example, the link is at the bottom of most of the NY Times web pages. — Lentower (talk) 20:13, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2020
Conway "died on April 11, 2020 at the age of 82, a victim of COVID-19, according to his biographer, Siobhan Roberts." https://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/13614-john-conway-dies-from-coronavirus.html 82.181.1.62 (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This source does not meet WP's policies for death. See the other sections on this talk page, discussing Conway's death's. Thanks for contributing to WP! — Lentower (talk) 20:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2020
April 11, 2020 Fazel94 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

The semi-protection refers to the WP:BLP which isn't applicable to deceased persons. Someone Not Awful (talk) 19:21, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We do not yet have sources that meet WP's policies for death. That is, Conways' death can't yet be recognized by WP. See the other sections on this talk page, discussing Conway's death's. Thanks for contributing to WP! — Lentower (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

What took so long?
For his death to be reported in media.--Prisencolin (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

A pandemic killing thousands in metro NYC & a death on a holiday weekend? Billbrock (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Further source
FWIW, Heise Online is also reporting Conway's death. I honestly don't see what the objections are to noting that Conway has, in fact, passed away at this point. Yes, reports of a person's death should be taken with a grain of salt, and rumors and tweets alone are not enough. OTOH, when well-established and highly-respected news sources are reporting someone's death as a fact, then there is little sense in digging one's heels in and not accepting this either. 188.108.106.171 (talk) 18:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * This is a reliable source. Added his death. Now stop it, I had not seen such dullness since Lotfi Zadeh's death.--Folengo (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks and thanks Lentower for reminding everyone of the value of being sure. In this case I reckon a verified family member should count, and a sourced RS should count without us checking their work and asking for a second source (they often have info from multiple sources but their house style doesn't name them all). – SJ +  13:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Wait: The Daily Voice only cites one source of his death. I translate.google.com'ed Heise Online. It cites no source for the notice of his death -- it could be the tweets. We need two different sources of his death from WP:RS. — Lentower (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Died at his home?
What is our source for saying he died at home? That doesn't seem to be in the cited source. -- Netwalker3 (talk) 22:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * His wife reported that, I think. 2601:648:8202:96B0:E0CB:579B:1F5:84ED (talk) 22:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems surprising that he wasn't taken to hospital. Are you sure? -- Netwalker3 (talk) 22:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It was apparently sudden. More info will probably come out soon, if it hasn't yet. 2601:648:8202:96B0:E0CB:579B:1F5:84ED (talk) 04:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)