Talk:John Joseph of Austria

Black hair
The importance of the colour of his hair is stressed in the article yet I find it much more interesting that he actually had black hair - since both his mother and Philip IV had fair hair! Isn't fair hair supposed to be a recessive trait? Perhaps it's not that simple? Surtsicna (talk) 19:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the portrait even really of him? Couldn't it be a falsely stereotypical portrayal of a Spaniard? For example Queen Catherine of Aragonhad always been portrayed in the media with dark hairs and eyes even though she had reddish-blond hair and blue eyes.--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Saw this comment about the "raven black hair" in the article, but I very much doubt it after having a look at a picture of him as a boy in the Spanish article. His hair may have gotten darker as he grew up, but I doubt it would have become black. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.201.194.124 (talk) 06:22, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

La Calderona image
I removed this image: it was inappropriately placed, the article isnt big enough to support a relatively irrelevant image, and she has her own article now. -- LaNaranja (talk) 18:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 14 November 2020

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. There is no opposition to changing the title; disagreement only focuses on what the target should be. For the sake of consistency with other noted translations of names, I am moving as initially proposed. A separate discussion can be initiated at a later time to propose changing to a "Juan José" title. BD2412 T 21:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

John of Austria the Younger → John Joseph of Austria – Apparently he is almost never known by this style in the literature (compare Google Books hits for "John Joseph of Austria" and "John of Austria the Younger". John Joseph also better matches the general Spanish convention, Juan José. LookLook36 (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting.  Heart  (talk) 13:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Juan José of Austria" and "Juan José de Austria" seem to be the most common in recent English-language sources. ngrams BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Juan José de Austria, seems to be commonly used in English, including Britannica here, so I don't think WP:ENGLISH is an argument against in this case.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed, but there seems to be a general convention that foreign nobles' names from this time are translated, like his father Philip IV of Spain (not Felipe IV). LookLook36 (talk) 11:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:John of Austria the Younger which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)