Talk:John Kiriakou

Nonstandard reference placement?
Almost all of our articles place references at the end of the relative sentence. Someone has moved some of the references in this article into the middle of sentences. Some academic journals have their own style guides, that request this style of reference placement. But, even in the academic world, it is a minority style.

Personally I find this style of reference placement jarring to read.

I resisted changing the reference placement to an easier to read style following the principle of not cluttering up the contribution history with merely cosmetic changes. But I'd welcome other's opinions on making an exception to that principle here. Geo Swan (talk) 17:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Please don't unnecessarily rewrite references in your favorite style...
Some of the references in this article have been unnecessarily rewritten. Our style guides don't state whether contributors should use the one field per line when using cite templates, or whether we should place the entire template on a single line. Personally, I prefer the former, but I don't rewrite templates in my preferred style, because rewriting metadata for esthetic reasons makes for misleading diffs, that appear to show massive changes when there has been little to no change to the article's actual content.

I request those who favor other styles show the same courtesy, and refrain from rewriting references I left in their favorite style.

I restored some references to their original style. Geo Swan (talk) 17:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Removing tendentious references to Kiriakou's acknowledgement that he was not a first-hand witness to waterboarding
There are a few places in this article that state Kiriakou "acknowledged that he was not present during Abu Zubaydah's interrogations", and that he was "only to later acknowledge he had no first hand [sic] knowledge" of waterboarding.

This language leaves the impression that Kiriakou initially stated or suggested that he was present during the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah. However, in his very first interview with ABC News, he explicitly states that he moved on to another job and that others were sent in to use "enhanced techniques":
 * JOHN:
 * We had a group of folks-- at the agency who were
 * trained in-- what had been reported in the press,
 * we called enhanced techniques. I came back to
 * the-- to the United States to headquarters to
 * move onto a different job. But we had these
 * trained interrogators who were sent to his
 * location-- to use the enhanced techniques as
 * necessary to get him to open up-- and to report
 * some threat information.

ABC News Transcript, page 15

DRE (talk) 21:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Lack of John's Work Detailing Prison Abuses?
I learned of John Kiriakou by accident through reading about federal prison conditions. I was surprised to find that nothing about his troubles in prison, nor his letters about them are recorded here. While I don't have enough information to mark a new section, nor am I sure it's appropriate, I can point to this letter written February 2014 about correctional officers in his prison attempting to censor him.

I'll add more if/when I find it - but I feel like this is important. Navarr (talk) 00:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Unsure what you want
Today, 28march2015, am adding information regarding Silenced 2014 documentary to the wiki pages of those featured in the film, Thomas Andrews Drake, John Kiriakou, and Jesselyn Radack.

Gave external links of relevant IMDB and YOUTUBE media.

You sent me a wiki message which told me I am in an "edit war", and did not explain why. You listed a difference between revisions that did not give examples of MY additions or edits, but instead showed your differences between edit war & revision notes.

Am not sure what you want? Is this "war" regarding Tom Cotton's website or the others listed above?

What would you like me to do?

Further, I do have a Wiki account (mtmsquared) but since I travel often for work (military physician and consultant)  I'd rather not have hundreds of different IP addresses associated with my account, since many of them are public and used by many other wikiusers. (I don't want to be attached to possible problems caused by othrs using same IP).

wILL be online for the next hour or so. Please sent a note detailing clear instructions of what it is you all want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.84.81.66 (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 23:59, 28 March 2015


 * moved above message, received (unsigned )from IP address on my talk page to this page, since it involves article discussion.--Wuerzele (talk) 00:16, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


 * 74.84.81.66, I noticed that you did not wait for my response, before editing on the article page again, ie were not interested in discussing, violating WP:BRD, which as alleged registered user you should be familiar with.
 * you reintroduced now for the third time, your version, ignoring my suggestions and edits, (which do clearly show "what I want", as opposed to your imo sheepish sounding section title). so you've violated WP:3RR. I will give you one last chance of figuring this out, since you pleaded special circumstances. Please revert your last edit to my version and lets work word for word from there on this discussion page, here. If you don't revert yourself within the next 24 h I will report you for editwarring. Thanks.--Wuerzele (talk) 00:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on John Kiriakou. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20151114165100/http://www.pen.org/sites/default/files/secretsources_low-res.pdf to http://www.pen.org/sites/default/files/secretsources_low-res.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 05:10, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Insert Loud and Clear ref.?
His bio should probably reflect that he co-hosts this program somewhere, right? Maybe in "related media works"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.2.140 (talk) 19:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Russia
In light of the fact that Kiriakou works for a Russian state-owned media enterprise and has been referred to in print as a propagandist for the Kremlin, why is Russia not mentioned in the current version of this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

"Zubaydah" and "Zubaida" are being used
Which should be used?

Granted if a quote contains the other spelling, then the name should appear the way the source spells it, followed by [sic]. 2600:8806:1203:BC00:242D:A962:5904:AA08 (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

John Kiriakou
John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer who was the only person sentenced in the CIA's enhanced interrogation program. Kiriakou was sentenced to 2 years prison for exposing the CIA's enhanced interrogation program.

Integrated into the article:

While in CIA custody, Zubaydah previously damaged left eye was surgically removed.

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 16:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Added to article Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
As of March 2024, he is a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. https://consortiumnews.com/2024/03/25/vips-memo-the-french-road-to-nuclear-war

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 07:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I added this to the VIP webpage:
 * Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

As of March 2024, the current members include, William Binney, Dick Black, Marshall Carter-Tripp, Bogdan Dzakovic, Graham E. Fuller, Philip Giraldi, Matthew Hoh, James George Jatras, Larry C. Johnson, John Kiriakou, Karen Kwiatkowski, Douglas Macgregor, Ray McGovern, Elizabeth Murray, Todd E. Pierce, Pedro Israel Orta,  Scott Ritter, Coleen Rowley, Lawrence Wilkerson, Sarah G. Wilton, J. Kirk Wiebe, Robert Wing, and  Ann Wright.

Ironcurtain2 (talk) 11:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Nearly assassinated?
The New Yorker piece says he was "at one point was nearly assassinated by leftists." It is implied that the source for that is his own book. Kiriakou is a known liar. A known liar in a profession of liars, so excuse me if I suggest this colorful exploit may not have happened. I'd like to add an "allegedly" or "claimed to" to the article about the assassination, but I'm reluctant because the New Yorker says it happened in a straight sentence.

Am I overstepping to weaken the claim?ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 10:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Actually, the article you refer to, written by Steve Coll, and published by The New Yorker (a generally reliable source with a robust fact-checking process according to WP:RSPSOURCES), does clarify that this is based on "court papers filed by Kiriakou's attorneys"; not his own book per se. Anyway, wikivoice is justified, since this is an uncontested and uncontroversial factual assertion made by a reliable source, and thus there is no reason to present it with in-text attribution; see WP:WIKIVOICE. Demetrios1993 (talk) 01:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)