Talk:John M. Hayes (scientist)

Unexplained revert
Not seeing a good rationale for this revert. Its major effects were to add redundancy and reduce accessibility. The one exception was the addition of Harvard to the employers list - I have retained that improvement but reverted the other changes. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello thanks for your edits. I reverted this because the edit had removed a significant amount data. The portrait was removed and the awards were removed by switching templates (something which wasn't documented in the edit summary). Personally, I'd appreciate it if when switching from Template:Infobox person/Wikidata to Template:Infobox scientist more care was taken not to delete information which has been carefully entered into wikidata. There are many examples of where this has happened, this is only one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duncan.Hull (talk • contribs)
 * You should probably take a closer look at the output - no true award was removed. The suffix was appropriately entered as a suffix, and the other two awards were retained in awards. The only "award" removal was the PhD, which is not an award and should not be included in that parameter. Thus, I'm restoring the previous version, with the addition of the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello thanks for the feedback. I disagree that PhD is not an award. PhD's are awarded by a degree granting institution. The documentation for Template:Infobox scientist says award is a "Notable awards/prizes received by the scientist". So whereas first degrees might not be considered notable, higher degrees like Doctor of Science or Doctor of Philosophy could reasonably be considered notable awards. For example, if you look at how biographical sources like Who's Who (UK) mention awards, it is common for PhD to be mentioned in a short lists (much the same way as awards in infoboxes).  See http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whoswho/U287272/  for Maria Fitzgerald. The entry reads FITZGERALD, Prof. Maria (followed by a list of notable awards) PhD; FRS 2016; FRCA, FMedSci. There are many other examples like this, and that seems reasonable to me. Also, many of your edits you mark as "conversion" add redundancy by duplicating information that I have already entered into wikidata, in my opinion, this is a waste of both of our valuable editing time, and could introduce new errors and discrepancies. Duncan.Hull (talk) 21:10, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The documentation of both infobox scientist and infobox person indicate that academic degrees should be included in education, if they are included at all. Our manual of style for biographies specifically forbids the formatting used by Who's Who. If you disagree with those practices, I'd suggest starting a central discussion. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC)