Talk:John MacBride

Robert McBride
Robert McBride is related to John MacBride, as the reference shows. http://www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/14088 Can anyone supply any more information eg whether this means that John MacBride was an ancestor of Robert McBride and had a family during his time in South Africa? --Totorotroll (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Here is more I've found about the issue: "It should be recalled that during his trial, David Gordon had planted the myth that he was a descendant of Major John MacBride - the Irish soldier who came to South Africa and fought on the side of the Boers during the Anglo-Boer war. As a result, when the ANC guerrilla was on death row, the Irish, believing that one of their kin was about to be executed, aligned themselves with the campaign to save his life. Tiernan MacBride, the grandson of the Major, was one of the many Irish people who wrote to the South African state president asking him to spare Robert's life.

Robert's supposed link with the Irish subsequently determined the course of his political career. A number of trips undertaken to Ireland prior to his move to the Department of Foreign Affairs heightened his passion for international relations." http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/library-resources/online%20books/mcbride-robert/book6.htm --Totorotroll (talk) 15:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Major?
Who made him a Major, and when? The Boers?JoxerD 17:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * He was validly commissioned by the Boers. A better question is who traduced him as a drunken lout? Ireland's champion pillow fighter, W.B.Yeats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.139.23.160 (talk) 00:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "A drunken, vain-glorious lout." traduced by way of Yeats's eulogy, rather than careless encyclopedic incursion. Therefore, whether slanderous or factual, it seems a contextually fair entry. giggle (talk) 14:28, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * MacBride was, as others have mentioned, commissioned a Major in military service of the Boer Republics during the Second Boer War. There are indications from the MSPC, BMH witness statements and elsewhere that he had been part of a 'Special Unit' of older IRB and those in 'sensitive' employments, who were secretly enrolled in 'B' Company, 1st Battalion, Dublin Brigade (this would make his British court-martial statement a lie, obviously). During the Rising he was variously described as commissioned with the rank of Commandant (MacDonagh's Volunteer rank was in actuality 'Commandant General', i.e. a brigadier) or Vice-Commandant, however this would not have been widely known afterwards and he continued to be known as 'Major' MacBride. DF Maoltuile (talk) 12:21, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

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