Talk:John Marshal (died 1165)

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Not sure how to deal with John's son, John. It would be a lot easier if they had different names, but I'm pretty sure we don't need separate pages for them. I wish I had a copy of Duby handy... Lordjim13 02:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

On the Earl Marshal page it lists Richard de Clare as the Lord Marshal prior to John (the Younger), whereas from what I recall John (Snr.) was Marshal (hence the name) and won the honor as a heriditary title. I don't have the resources to research it right now... Lordjim13 00:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Infobox problem
the infobox for the Lord Marshal says the incumbent held the position until 1199; neither John Marshal mentioned lives that long; any way to clear up the discrepancy by checking primary or secondary sources? --FeanorStar7 16:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Requested move 8 October 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to John Marshal (died 1165) (non-admin closure). Both in agreement that a new title is needed and Necrothesp has made a good argument that the original proposed title is ambiguous. Jenks24 (talk) 10:27, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

John FitzGilbert, Marshal of the horses → John Marshal (Marshal of England) – Seems to be most often known via sources under this name. A more succinct disambiguator seems to be necessary as well. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 21:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Move to John Marshal (died 1165). His son had the same name and was also marshal. Normally I don't support YOB/YOD without another disambiguator, but given his name and his disambiguator are the same and his name came from his post I think it's more appropriate here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 10 October 2023 (UTC)