Talk:John Montgomery Ward

Monte
I realize that Ward is commonly known as "Monte" Ward to modern baseball fans. But Ward and his team simply never used the nickname, nor was it common in the press during Wards lifetime.

Because of that I thought that it was just not appropriate to have someone type in John Montgomery Ward and redirected to a nickname he never used.

This is why I redirected the redirect.

--iagorune 06:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * If it helps any, not only does Tom Zeiler consistently call him "John Ward" in his book, Ambassadors in Pinstripes (New York: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2006), but on page 169, when discussing popular baseball songs of the 1880s, Zeiler mentions that the sheet music to "Steal! Slide! Anyway!" noted that "Johnny Ward's our shortstop" in its dedication to the New York Giants. Best, Ernie. Ernie Scribner (talk) 22:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Ward's Education
This entry states that Ward attended Penn State "for a short time." I know it's an old book, but Seymour's Baseball: THe Golden Years states that Ward graduated from Penn. State. Does anyone know which statement is correct?

Also, this entry has no mention that Ward was the cousin of Aaron Montgomery Ward, the founder of the mail order store. Is there truth to that connection? Thanks, Ernie. Ernie Scribner (talk) 22:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If he was related to Aaron, that would be a great addition to the article. In contructing this article, I simply never ran across a mention of a possible relation to him. If someone found a relable source explaining that they were cousins, it would enhance this article. Neonblak talk  -  22:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * On page 5 Zeiler says that Ward was a "younger cousin" of the retail mogul, but he doesn't cite a source for this information.


 * By the way, on page 26 Zeiler says that Ward "earned his college and law degrees from Columbia University." Maybe that answers my earlier question. Ward may have dropped out of Penn State after a "short time," and then returned to school at Columbia. Best, Ernie. Ernie Scribner (talk) 04:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

reserve clause successfully challenged?

 * He later successfully challenged the player reserve clause ...

I removed this clause from the lead and replaced it with his forming the players union, from the body of the article. Certainly he challenged the reserve clause. Successfully when? --P64 (talk) 06:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Where to find answers to the above discussion questions and misreadings
The definitive biography of Ward is "A Clever Base-Ballist." It devotes several pages to his nickname. It has an entire chapter on his entering and career at Penn State. The book, whose author is Bryan Di Salvatore, is out of print, but easily, and cheaply, accessible via internet sources. There is another biography, by David Stephens (Stevens?) "A Man For All Seasons" I believe. It is much thinner and contains inaccuracies. "Base-Ballist" may well, too, but, speaking as its author, I have only had a couple of people contact me with quibbles, both of them minor, one a mispelling, the other a wrong name. I don't mean to toot my own horn here. All I care about is setting the record straight. User: BuckdimeBuckdime (talk) 17:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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