Talk:John Newham

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Editor Ian Rose has with the edit summary: Make page nos. obvious. is a template to be used for academic and scholarly journals. As such, it adheres to the volume-issue-page style appropriate to those types of journal. That style does not include  and   prefixes.

It is the purpose and responsibility of the template to render a citation in a style consistent with its type. It is also the responsibility of the template to provide metadata for users of bibliographic software. That metadata should not include extraneous text and markup. This is noted in the documentation for each of the cs1|2 templates.

This is one of the two templates in question:

This template misuses journal:

has parameters for volume and issue (also aliased as number). Those parameters should be used so that the citation renders correctly; so that the metadata for journal is not corrupted; so that the template can provide proper volume and issue metadata. As written, 'Vol. 27' and 'No. 5' are italicized as if they were part of the journal's name; they aren't and shouldn't be. Similarly the template misuses page:

the  prefix does not belong in the metadata and is inconsistent with the style used by

And the second template:

In this template, page is misused as just described. The template also appears to be incomplete, missing both volume and issue.

The correct solution to this problem is to choose an appropriate template. For academic and scholarly journals, choose. For other types of periodical, consider or. Here is the first citation rewritten to use these other templates:

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Mm, I don't know that the average reader is as concerned with metadata as with seeing consistently formatted and easy-to-read citations throughout an article. Anyway, RAAF News and its successors Air Force News and Air Force are not scholarly or academic works and despite their names are not typical newspapers but periodicals, so cite magazine is probably the closest template we have. Back in the day though, before cite magazine (which I've only just heard of in the past week or so), cite journal seemed the best route. If you're methodically going through articles then pls feel free to change occurrences of RAAF News, Air Force News or Air Force to cite magazine instead of cite journal, and I'll use cite magazine as appropriate in articles I create or edit . Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The only people who care about metadata are the people who use it. That is sufficient reason to not dismiss it out of hand.


 * I've added RAAF News, Air Force News, and Air Force to my script. The script is just over halfway through  so anything that it has already visited and fixed that has these  templates will not get fixed because those articles are no longer in the category.


 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 23:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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