Talk:John Philip Holland

Birth Date
Since there is no information supporting the birth date of 29 February 1840, and because the biography of John Holland that is linked suggests a birth date of 24 Feb 1841, I have changed the date and removed the category "Category:Leap day births|Holland, John Philip". If there is support for the leap day birth, we can put it back.Dpv 14:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Ref for date, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/22470/john-phillip-holland
 * Birth:   28 Feb 1841,     Liscannor, County Clare, Ireland
 * Death:    12 Aug 1914 (aged 73)     Newark, Essex County, New Jersey, USA
 * Burial    Holy Sepulchre Cemetery and Mausoleum,  Totowa, Passaic County, New Jersey, USA

"african American" edit
Maybe the guy misinterpreted the term Black Irish. Gzuckier 17:11, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Other developments
Can somebody clarify the dating of Holland II & III? As I recall, they predate Adder (which was Holland VI or VII, I think). Also, something should be said about his rivalry (or the competition) with Simon Lake. Trekphiler 08:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Made a Holland Torpedo Boat Company and Holland IV page:
 * Holland I 1878
 * Holland II (named Fenian Ram) 1881
 * Holland III –1883
 * Holland IV (known as the Zalinski Boat) 1885.
 * Plunger (1897) - Holland V - 1897
 * Holland VI - USS Holland (SS-1) built 1897 sold 1900

Telecine Guy (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Farsical?
"including a farcical experience with the U.S. Navy" is the sort of statement that cries out for explanation and/or a reference. -- Kbh3rd 22:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Removed sometime ago. Thank you. 22:06, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Irish language name and mother
Surely if he only learned English in school, then he would have had an Irish speaking father also? Or that his father wasn't present while he was growing up. Also, if it's known that he only learned English at school, surely we would know for definite his surname in Irish rather than having two versions at the top of the page. Can someone please correct/ fill in these details. - 188.141.61.64 (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

People often just use the english versions of their name, even today a lot of older native irish speakers prefer to use the english version of their name. holland being an english name was probably just kept as such. His father probably spoke irish to him considering he lived in a gaelteacht area — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.254.150 (talk) 13:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * His father John Holland, a lighthouse keeper and coastguardsman, and his mother, Mary (Scanlan) Holland, were both native Irish speakers. John Philip Holland learned England as a teenager.  Mary (Scanlan) Holland died on 17 Mar 1884. Telecine Guy (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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