Talk:John Travolta/Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2014
Under the Pilot section in the last line it reads, "He is the author of the book Propeller One-Way Night Coach, the story of the young Jeff’s first flight.[56]"

It says "young Jeff's" should be changed to "young John's".

Blakepeterman (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

❌ The only review I can find that mentions a name is this one which clearly says Jeff. If you have reliable sources which contradict this please provide links - Arjayay (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the name "Jeff" is not itself incorrect, based on the Amazon book review. However, in the context of this article, the use of the name "Jeff" is very confusing, since there is no one named "Jeff" anywhere in the wikipedia article, and so one is led to think that it is a typo and that either the intention was for the name "Jett" (i.e. Travolta's deceased son) to be used instead, or that the intention was for the name "John" to be used (as the original edit request seemed to think), since the book may well be a fictionalized representation of Travolta's own experience flying.

My primary suggestion: Get rid of the name "Jeff" entirely. Say instead: "Propeller One-Way Night Coach, a story about a young boy's first flight."

(If you insist on keeping the name "Jeff", then please make it clear that the name refers to a fictional character in the book; i.e. that the book is not a non-fictional account of some actual person's experience of their own first flight.)

Pnkfelix (talk) 11:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
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Ugh, so now someone else has come along and changed the text to say "his son Jett's first flight" instead of "Jeff's first flight" ?

Okay, lets see:

"When his actress mother decides to move to Hollywood, Jeff, an eight-year-old boy who dreams of flying in a plane, begins his journey with connecting flights, airline food, stopovers, and time spent in first class." "Ever since he could remember, young Jeff wanted to fly in an airplane more than anything in the world. His mother had told him that if he saved his pennies, they would take a trip together. And here they were, on the first of a series of connecting flights that would take them from Newark all the way to Los Angeles."
 * The Amazon book description states
 * Also on the amazon description, the picture of the front cover refers to the book as "a fable for all ages." I.e., it is fiction.
 * The Barnes and Noble book description states

I attempted to find a site for Warner Books, but it seems like they were purchased by the Hachette Book Group, and they do not have any description available for this book (at least not that I could find).

Again, I am not suggesting that we change the text to refer to "Jeff" by name. I am instead pointing out that every account of this book that I can find does *not* describe it as a depiction of the first flight of John's son Jett. Therefore the page as currently written is either in error, or the previous edit was the result of an inference that the "Jeff" in the book is a symbol for Jett, which to me represents Original Research.

I am trying to correct this by making the text less specific about whom the subject is, by using the text: "Propeller One-Way Night Coach, a story about a young boy's first flight."

Pnkfelix (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2015
Under the Pilot section in the last line it reads, "He is the author of the book Propeller One-Way Night Coach, the story of his son Jett's first flight..[56]"

I have argued above that there is no support for using "his son Jett". Based on the dialogue above, I think it should say "the story about a young boy's first flight."

Pnkfelix (talk) 11:31, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
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misspelling
son's name is misspelled in the "pilot" section. it ays "jeff" instead of "jett"
 * Fixed. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:02, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Use a more relevant image in the pilot section


In John Travolta replace with
 * File:John Travolta cropped.jpg
 * File:Boeing 707-138B, Qantas (John Travolta) AN0270675.jpg, using "Travolta in 2002, in the cockpit of his Boeing 707: as the image caption.

Thanks in advance. 67.101.7.148 (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 00:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

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Editing Filmography: Bolt
The 2008 film "Bolt" starring John Travolta and Miley Cyrus has been nominated for an Oscar for the category of "Best Animated Feature Film of the Year."

The film has also been Nominated for a Golden Globe for the category of "Best Motion Picture."

This film has also been Nominated for a Golden Globe for the category of "Best Original Song" — Preceding unsigned comment added by LilyJTP (talk • contribs) 00:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add this to the filmography segment that has to do with this film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397892/awards

LilyJTP (talk) 22:33, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Editing Filmography: Look Who's Talking
The 1989 film "Look Who's Talking" one a People's Choice Awards in 1990 for the category "Favorite Comedy Motion Picture."

Please add this info to the Look Who's Talking category in the Filmography segment.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097778/awards?ref_=tt_awd

LilyJTP (talk) 23:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2016
John Travolta's appearance in the TV series The People v OJ Simpson as Robert Shapiro needs to be added.

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Relationships section
The relationships section of this piece is mostly gossip. It violates WP:BLP and must be trimmed significantly. The only part of the section which is verifiable is that Mr. Travolta has been married to the same woman for 26 years, and they have children together.Chagallophile (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Consider: The citation to an article in TIME (published before Travolta was married) links to a site which does not show the article unless the reader pays to see it - thus, it cannot be verified. The page citation for Lawrence Wright's Going Clear does not mention the claim about Travolta.Chagallophile (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Being behind a paywall doesn't make a source unverifiable. Sources don't even have to be online, they just have to be published widely enough that a determined researcher could track them down (see WP:PAYWALL). I have replaced the Hollywood Reporter excerpt of Going Clear, since it didn't specifically support that claim. Grayfell (talk) 21:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

In the recent stories about Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, their several accusers have identified themselves publicly, which makes the claims credible, whereas no one (apparently) has publicly made any claims against Mr. Travolta is the 26 years since the Time article appeared. Who are Mr. Travolta's accusers? What are their names? Where is their evidence? Without this, the story is gossip, and everything in the relationships section - after his marriage and children - should be removed.Chagallophile (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Weinstein and Spacey have nothing to do with this. Neither does Danny Masterson, for that matter. That is not the standard Wikipedia uses, nor should it be. We identify two people who have made specific claims against Travolta, and we support this with reliable sources documenting the legal activity that followed. We are not obligated to name people, especially not in cases like this, and there is a strong, policy-based argument NOT to name potential crime victims. How public those making the accusations are only matters to the extent it is covered by reliable sources. It has absolutely no connection to anyone's credibility beyond that.
 * Sexual assault claims should not be conflated with other claims. The pilot, who is claiming a consensual relationship, is named and this is also supported by a reliable source.
 * If we're going to trim this down to be less gossipy, we have to make sure we're respecting both Travolta, and the other people involved. Completely deleting this is too drastic. Grayfell (talk) 00:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

It seems to me the claims are both libelous and contentious, and therefore violate WP:BLP. Travolta's relationship with Ms. Hyland and Ms. Preston are unquestionable; all else has been denied by Travolta and therefore - by definition - is contentious. The only "crime victim" in this instance seems to be Mr. Travolta, who has to fend off extortion attempts that are conveniently dropped when he doesn't pay up. The claim of the pilot might be acceptable, but claiming to have a consensual relationship is not proof unless Travolta confirms it, which he apparently has not done. Using Wikipedia to spread or legitimize these rumors is unethical.Purplethree (talk) 15:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Notable work
Please quit edit warring and discuss you rational for linking to his filmography in the infobox. I have not seen this in any other infobox. there is a section. Template:Infobox_person only talks about individual items, not posting a link like you're trying to do. - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 00:19, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

"Inner Ring" of What?
My change to clarify that Bergen County is a suburban county of greater NYC was reverted for lack of a source, but some things are of such common knowledge, like that Bergen County is in New Jersey, that they should not require a citation and these type of basic proofreading edits should not be obstructed on that basis by any contributor or bot. By that logic, spelling and grammatical corrections would have to be sourced to a dictionary or style manual. Please, give us a break. And for what it's worth, the currently vague statement is also unsourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.54.132.58 (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Adele Dazeem
Nothing about Adele Dazeem?

I found (most of) what I wanted on Google (at a blacklisted site!), but now wondering what the phonetic spelling was; did John need specs (glasses); was he tired; was he that flustered?

I do reckon it’s worth a mention in the Wiki page though – at least a bit.

MBG02 (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Religion
Given John Travolta's huge prominence in Scientology, and that for many years he was one of its key celebrity faces, it seems peculiar that his involvement with the organisation is less than two lines in this article. I'm assuming at some point this was edited down to the bare essentials (but essential enough that it manages to mention a relief effort it was part of...). Joewithajay (talk) 07:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)