Talk:John Tyler

Tyler's wealth
Here is the link to Tyler's wealth: [https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0220/Presidents-Day-trivia-Who-were-the-10-richest-US-presidents/John-Tyler-51-million#:~:text=John%20Tyler%20(%2451%20million),-Ron%20Edmonds%2FAP&text=Which%20president%20was%20the%20wealthiest%3F&text=When%20it%20comes%20to%20Presidents,a%20month%20after%20his%20inauguration. Presidents Day trivia: Who were the 10 richest US presidents?] The source Christian Science Monitor says $51 million. The contributor is Chelsea Sheasley (February 20, 2012). I would say this is a reliable source. I am assuming Sheasly was referring to the present value of money in 2012. Is this enough to be a reliable source? I thought that it was. I would say the Christian Science Monitor is a reliable source. Cmguy777 (talk) 06:31, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Here is the Wikipedia article that says Tyler was worth $68 million in 2022: List of presidents of the United States by net worth. I think this is a significant amount to be added to the article. 06:38, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * The source is The Net Worth of the American Presidents: Washington to Trump This article was last updated on March 20, 2020 by Michael B. Sauter and Grant Suneson. The source is 24/7 Wall St. In 2020 Tyler was worth $57.7 million. Cmguy777 (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if it were integrated into the text. As one of them mentions that Tyler became indebted during the war and died poor might be a hook to hang that on. Something along the line of "Although Tyler's wealth at its peak exceeded $50 million in 2020 dollars, he became indebted during the war and died much poorer". Wehwalt (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes. The article says "peak net worth", but does not say the year, presumably before the Civil War. It also does not say how many slaves Tyler owned. I suppose they were included in his wealth. A slave was worth about $1,000 in Virginia around 1849. Maybe more at the beginning of the Civil War. Yes. By all means, your edit sounds good and can be integrated into the article's family slavery section. Cmguy777 (talk) 20:53, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Information added to article. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:24, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Working hard
The Post Presidency section stages that Tyler, “did not take farming lightly and worked hard to maintain large yields.” Tyler was a slave owner. To spotlight his work ethic without mentioning those who were doing the real hard work resulting in large yields seems to be quite a glaring omission. Billtaverner (talk) 23:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Good point. It might be wise to review the source and see what can be added on that. Wehwalt (talk) 23:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Tyler owned 70 slaves. More can be said on his slave ownership. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

If there's a word, use it.
If there's a word for a particular definition, then use it. As to whether a word is used frequently or less frequently, that shouldn't matter. Besides, it is common for Wikipedia to use lesser-known words. Rattatast (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Death Place
It seems misleading to omit "C.S." from his biography, considering he was a traitor to the United States. It's important to emphasize that he died in a failed breakaway, unrecognised state. Others who were born or died during the occupation of U.S. land during the C.S.'s existence have "C.S." in their infoboxes. Just because this is a former president we should downplay he treason, if nobody responds to this post in a timely fasion, I will change it. ChuckDabs (talk) 18:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This was discussed. The Confederacy had no legal existence. We're not responsible here for the content of other articles. I fail to see how this excuses anything. I'm sure many died, Union soldiers for example, in the so-called Confederate States who had nothing to do with it. Wehwalt (talk) 18:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * " I'm sure many died, Union soldiers for example, in the so-called Confederate States who had nothing to do with it." I concur and can see the disrespect in that.
 * Note, that I still think it should (somehow) be more apparent in the article somewhere how John Tyler was a traitor and had an impact on the creation of the aforementioned rogue state. Currently, how the article stands, gives no initial impression to a reader that John Tyler was anything but an insignificant President of the United States in the 19th century and should be amended to reflect his failure to his country. ChuckDabs (talk) 20:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a mention that Tyler is the only US president who received no national recognition after his death because he had adhered to the Confederacy? Wehwalt (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Legacy
I think the fact that a community college was named after him should be included. The college is Brightpoint Community College, which until around 2021 was called John Tyler Community College (https://www.progress-index.com/story/news/2021/07/08/brightpoint-recommended-new-john-tyler-community-college-name/7907945002/). Kdammers (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * A community college seems rather a minor namesake. The change of name strikes me of more worthy of a mention, if there are other facilities that have taken his name off. In other words, I think it needs to be more than just the community college, which Tyler had nothing to do with. Wehwalt (talk) 19:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Other people have legacy entries that include high schools, buildings and even a mall (Carl Sandburg) and a tunnel (Dwight D. Eisenhower). Teddy Roosevelt's long legacy entry includes, ships, a submarine, and even an asteroid. I think a community college is worth mentioning. I'm not necessarily saying that Tyler elementary school (https://thehillishome.com/2010/03/tyler-elementary/) or Tyler High School (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler_High_School) should be included.  I also think that the city in Texas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyler,_Texas) that is named after him should be included in a legacy section. Kdammers (talk) 04:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think there's a county in Texas too and possibly other things. If you want to put something together that is sourced to FA standards, since the article is a FA, I have no strong view. Wehwalt (talk) 12:54, 6 July 2024 (UTC)