Talk:John Tyler/Archive 1

policies
Why is the discussion of 2 cabinent members dying part of the policy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpahl (talk • contribs) 22:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Second picture in article
The picture is fine.

Location of Birth
Where was he born? 68.63.58.122 12:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It shows where he was born in the early life area. --Josiah Bartlet, President of the United States 09:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Middle Name?
Does anyone know his middle name? That would be needed to distinguish him from his father...=The Kooky One 21:01, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Come to think of it Kookykman, I'm not sure if Tyler has a middle name. In fact a lot of the early Presidents don't seem to have (at least not listed) middle names: Washington, John Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, Van Buren, Tyler, Taylor, Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Benjamin Harrison, McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, Truman (has a middle letter). Presidential birth records may be the way to find out? Mightberight/wrong 26 October 2005

Yes, I agree. I do not think tyler had a middle name (at least not one that is listed).-mart572 charles city county,virginia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.16.225 (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Elizabeth Tyler
The article about Elizabeth Tyler should be kept seperate. Her wedding was one of the major social events during the Tyler adminisration. However, I would have no objections to a merger of the article;provided that there is mention of the wedding in the White House. Thank you-RFD 14:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Questions Was Texas admitted to the Union during his presidentcy or not? Both is stated. What was the law, which congress overrided his veto?McTeedeium Boo. sorry had to get that out.

The missing link?
The link for "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Armistead&action=edit" wich looks like "Mary Armistead" in the Biography section dosent work. Please fix. 68.32.73.22 14:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Second and seventh are hard to remember
I have found that other sources(Encarta, Etc.) say that he was the second child not the seventh could someone verify this? Programmer8 19:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hijacking
Who put in all the 'poopy' stuff in his history right before his executive run? Are the Whigs still that upset?

Kid Chameleon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.142.171 (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

Image for info box
I have placed a copper engraving of Tyler in the info box. Overall value and contrast is better, and it is a fairly sensitive portrait. CApitol3 22:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mystery, I think you'll find this image to be larger, higher resolution, and it has overall much more contrast and a sense of depth the other doesn't. Please discuss before reverting. Thanks. 19:41, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Mystery Man, I've tried to meet you half way here. I've dramatically increasd the resolution and image size. I've also cropped in to allow the image to become a larger part of the space. Perhaps I should share what I find difficult with your choice of image: the range of tones are very much in the middle ground with few highlights, but also almost no true black dark areas. I surely mean no offense here, my objective is to have an image that reads, and, also conveys the man's countenance. The engraving is quite sensitive and almost photographic in its rang of tones. Perhaps we could seek some input. A final note, please do include edit summaries when you edit. It is more than a nicety. It allows other editors to have some understanding of why you've removed or changed something. Thank you. CApitol3 20:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I'd like to know what sense it makes to replace a perfectly good actual photograph with a small dinky engraving. What is it? -The Mystery Man
 * Hi Mystery Man, here are my concerns: quality of image (bad contrast) question as to whether what you are posting is in fact a photograph of Tyler, or a painting of Tyler. I believe it to be the latter. Date of image: the date of the image you are using is described by hte American Memories collection of LOC to be 1860-1865, very long after the man left office. The daguerreotype image I've posted is c. 1850, just after leaving office. CApitol3 03:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

HOLLAZZZZ WUT UP ITS SHAWNA HERE!!!!! YAYAYAYAYAYAYA ILYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.231.138 (talk) 15:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The answer is that the photo was clearly copied, and then "enhanced" via someone's computer, from an ENGRAVING Of President Tyler. Not that this is a bad thing.....good photos from that era are pretty hard to come by. (Glenn) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glennjohnson1976 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Harrison's death
A friend of mine told me that he saw on a documentary about American presidents that John Tyler was playing marbles in the White House when he heard of William Henry Harrison's death - can anyone confirm this? --Josiah Bartlet, President of the United States 09:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in the book The Death of a President, I believe. It was in the book to explain how Presidential Succession was established by Tyler (relateing to the events of LBJ's succession) GoodDay (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * PS, Tyler wasn't playing marbles at the White House (as he hadn't moved in yet). The marbles playing was at his home in Williamsburg, Virginia. Secy of State Daniel Webster's son Fletcher Webster delivered the message of Harrison's death. GoodDay (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Tyler's Vice President
In 1841 the 27th Congress voted to make Samuel Southard ice president of the United States. He was from New Jersey and President pro tem of the Senate until May 22 1842. Serving from May 31, 1842 until the end of Tyler's term was W. P. Magnum of North Carolina

65.7.138.162 (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Harrison Ruffin Tyler
I removed the sentence "As of 2007, one of his grandsons, Harrison Ruffin Tyler, is still alive. " This is not a genealogical database such as Ancestry.com. There is no basis for including this unreferenced claim in the article unless perhaps the descendant is himself notable as attested by substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. We do not include in the articles about historical figures lists of every descendant. Edison (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Junior
Can anyone produce a source other than Wikipedia which includes "Jr." as part of President John Tyler's name? Thanks. Malveramenso (talk) 19:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Reworking and copyediting
I have done a fairly significant reorganization of this article. Because I know myself pretty well, I feel secure in saying that I've probably left some pretty stupid looking errors in here, which result from moving most but not all of a large sections around. I also know that I'm blind to them right now. So if you follow me up, feel free to correct me, but please don't think that I'm a total idiot. By tomorrow, I'll be able to see the oversights as well, provided I get a chance to actually work online tomorrow. Unschool (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Compromise
The following sentence refers to Tyler's governorship, and was present in the article before I did my reorg:
 * He was popularly known as voting against nationalist legislations and for his open opposition of the Compromise.

What is this talking about? What Compromise? Compromise of 1820? I don't know; does anyone else? Unschool (talk) 20:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, What compromise are we talking about? There were several during the course of his political career. This may need to be cleaned up, I will fix within a week, if it is not done by then. Please comment or correct if possible.Jojhutton (talk) 04:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Sectionalism and Nationalism
This needs explaining, for the lay reader:
 * "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" not only offered the slight sectionalism that would further be apparent in the presidency of Tyler, but also the nationalism that was imperative to gain the American vote.

What does this mean? I know what sectionalism and nationalism are, I mean, how does the slogan "offer sectionalism"? Unschool (talk) 20:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Separation of Church and State
This section of the article, as best as I can tell, tells us nothing about the Tyler presidency. As such, it should be moved to somewhere else in the article. And actually, it really isn't noteworthy at all, it's just a statement that Tyler agrees with the principles of the First Amendment. Big whoop. I'm going to delete it; if anyone thinks it needs to be back in the article, please provide an explanation. Unschool (talk) 21:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Article needs
This article needs:
 * a section on his cabinet, not just the mention that Harrison's all quit after a few months. It looks horrible now with that huge gap there next to the cabinet template

Tylers Grandson?
Although I am not debating the truth of the addition to the article, claiming that Tyler has one surviving Grandson, I am challenging the citation. The citation is vague and does not substantiate the claim. In the citation (Web Site), almost all of his grand children have no date of death, therefore it does not prove that he has only one surviving grandson. Please fix. Jojhutton (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

How can anybody dispute the fact that Tyler has any surviving relatives, when the man had so many children?! Surely there are many descendants.... (Glenn). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glennjohnson1976 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Formatting
...Seriously, can someone fix this up? The first bit of the page is a formatting disaster. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.135.117 (talk) 14:18, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think a lot of the images can go in the gallery at the end. I have done what I could. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 22:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Poor quality article - single source
Most of the article is sourced to a single source. Someone should take a hard look at copyvio issues since it is so reliant on a single source. When writing history it is critical to use a wide variety of sources to avoid plagiarism issues. It can be reworded to avoid copyvio, and still be plagiarism if it follows the general outline and emphasis. Plagiarism is allowed on Wikipedia, but it is unethical and not very outstanding. Certainly not FA material! Fothergill Volkensniff IV (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Plagarism is defined as "Stealing someone else's published ideas or information and presenting them as your own, without giving proper credit." The text derived from the single source is cited back to the source, which means that the text is not being presented as original work.  Therefore, the text has not been plagarised.  Also, since the text has been cited, copyvio violations are not present.  I agree that the article should cite more sources, but I can find no evidence that the use of the single source is running contrary to Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  Terrakyte (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

No mention of Webster-Ashburton Treaty?
I'm surprised there's no mention of this treaty, a major Tyler administration accomplishment, in this article. Maybe someone with more expertise could add a section to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pythagras (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mention of the treaty is already located in the article at John_Tyler. Terrakyte (talk) 14:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Inaugural address side-note
John Tyler used variants of "america" in his speech (America, Americans, etc) more than any other president in an inaugural address: 38 times. Ykerzner (talk) 02:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Bot-created subpage
A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/John Tyler was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Harrison/Tyler discrepency
On President Harrison's page, regarding the 1836 election, the article implies that the Whig Party's running of multiple candidates was strategic. However, Tyler's article implies that the multiplicity of candidates was necessary because of the Whig's disorganization. Should these articles match? What's the truth, and if it's purely speculative, shouldn't the articles point that out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roosellclause (talk • contribs) 04:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)