Talk:John Upton (civil engineer)

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There is another John Upton (1707-60) who edited the poet Edmund Spenser. How can I set up the disambiguation so that people looking for the editor do not automatically get the engineer? DGHeins (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)DGHeins

1. I am still looking for incontrovertible evidence that the John Upton born in Petworth did move on to become the engineer. My only source is the supposition in the "Dictionary of Civil Engineers". Owen 14:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

2. The son working with John in Russia is sometimes called "William" and sometimes "Samuel". I cannot find out whether there were two sons or one had both names. Owen 14:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

3. One of my sources indicated that John Upton died and was buried in Sevastopol another that he returned to London shortly before he died. Owen 14:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Discussion:

My name is Ken Upton, descended from John (Ivan) Upton through his son, William Upton, William Upton (jr), Eber Upton, and Donald Upton (my father). I have genealogical and anecdotal (masters thesis research) available if you wish. Excuse my use of this page for communication purposes, but I'm unsure how to contact the page's author, Owen Davies. I'd like to learn more about the pre-history of John/Ivan Upton, as our information starts with his arrival in Russia. It is easy to understand the reasoning behind the lack of information now, considering John/Ivan's rather abrupt departure for Russia. Can you (Owen) recommend a method of contact? I'm reluctant to post much more personal information on such a public space.

Regards, Ken Upton Ken Upton (talk) 20:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Answers:

1. I have historical information and documents that start with the arrival of John Upton in Russia, as a family, we have little information on his activities prior to arriving in Russia. 2. John Upton had two sons, William and Samuel. 3. Looking into where John Upton was buried, there may be some family documents that detail this.

Regards, Ken Upton (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Owen and Ken

My name is Michael VandenBosch and I am also a descendant of John Upton. John's son William kept a daily diary from the age of 16 in 1827, until about a month before his death in 1893. I have read these diaries (which are in my possession) and other reference material (his letters, log books etc). I can confirm that John Upton did have a son named William, a son named Samuel, AND two other sons (Thomas and John). He and his wife (Mary Payn) also had 4 daughters: Mary, Susan, Sarah and Emily.

I can also confirm that John (senior) Upton died in Sevastopol on Dec 8th 1851 and was buried there in what was frequently referred to as "the burying grounds". His son William was captured by the British during the Crimean War. When Lord Raglan discovered he was British and an engineer, he was "encouraged" to help his British countrymen in their effort to capture Sevastopol. As a result and despite being a Russian Nobleman, William had no option to remain in Russia as he had compromised himself, and he returned to England. Unfortunately, he had no standing in society there. He was not compensated for his losses in Russia as the British officers had promised him. He was offered 500 pounds - 10% of the amount promised for his losses- and after repeatedly trying to fight this, he decided to leave England in disgust, and moved to Canada. An extensively researched article about this is due to be published soon in the magazine for the study of the Crimean War called "The War Correspondent"

regards,

Michael VandenBosch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.228.66.52 (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Ken & Michael I would be happy to exchange further info with you. E-mail me at owen@davies109.freeserve.co.uk   I am particularly interested in John Upton's wife's family. They must have been quite prominent if they could lend Upton £3000 in the 1820's. Regards, - Owen Davies — Preceding unsigned comment added by OwenMDavies (talk • contribs) 10:55, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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