Talk:John Wick: Chapter 4/Archive 1

Mainspace move
So, recently it was announced that filming for the movie just began today, so can we move to the main space now? FilmLover72 (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

AFC reviewer note
Hello, I've just reviewed this through the AFC process. While a lot of the sources are rather speculative due to the fact the film is not yet released, it is a confirmed production of a major film franchise and I refer to Untitled Avengers film as precedent for this. Furthermore, there have been more mainstream sources reporting on the film since the draft's submission such as IndieWire, CinemaBlend and USA Today. I felt the need to elaborate on this as the base page was previously a redirect to the section at John Wick and also because the normal AFC review process didn't work due to the title already existing so I had to do it manually. Thanks,  SITH   (talk)   11:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I have moved the article back to the draft. Per WP:NFF: Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles [...]. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. (Emphasis my own.) Please gain a consensus to overall this guideline before moving it back to the mainspace; I have also notified WP:FILM and WP:NFILM of this discussion.. -- / Alex /21  14:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll challenge NFF where there is a wealth of background development information on a yet-produced film that can be spelled out (eg Akira (planned film)) (in that the GNG trumps the NFF). But that information is definitively lacking here; take out the wrappings needed for a standalone, and you have a paragraph that slips nicely into the franchise page without issue. NFF should be followed here. --M asem (t) 14:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, as says I think this is one of those rare cases where due to the amount of coverage, GNG, which supersedes NFILM is satisfied, but I'll leave it for the next reviewer.    SITH   (talk)   10:51, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Masem didn't say that it's a rare case at all... They said "that information is definitively lacking here". There's three sentences in Production, compared to Akira's 10x the content. -- / Alex /21  11:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey, can we submit it now that filming has officially begun? FilmLover72 (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Biased Critic sample
If the rotten tomatoes score is 95%, why are both critical reviews chosen negative to mixed? Seems biased on the part of rhe poster of the reviews Suhbbw (talk) 17:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Came to say the same thing. 2600:1014:B00E:899A:40A9:B78A:2665:8A60 (talk) 23:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like someone noted that in their edit summary a few days ago. It's just that none of the rest of us have gotten to adding in a few of the positive ones yet.  Not where I usually poke around on wiki but when I have created content for a reception section in the past, it can be slow going when you're trying to find the reviews that are most reflective of the reception at large.  Could be someone is slowly working on it in a sandbox somewhere.  Feel free to beat them to it if it's up your alley, though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Millahnna (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2023
To be edited "Caine gravely wounds John in the first two rounds. De Gramont asks to personally execute John for the final round, but John, who had not yet fired his gun, shoots and kills de Gramont"

"Caine and John wound each other in the arm with the first shot. After shortening the distance by 10 paces each, John is wounded in the shoulder while Caine is wounded in the lower abdomen. With the third shot, Caine shoots John in the lower abdomen, and John falls to the floor. De Gramont asks to personally execute John for the final round, but John, who had not yet fired his gun, shoots and kills de Gramont in the head."

This is an important edit, as these first two shots were not GRAVE shots, it wasn't until his third shot that did possibly fatal damage. One more edit follows;

To be edited "The Harbinger declares him free of his debt to the High Table, though John dies peacefully due to his wounds."

"The Harbinger declares Caine and his Daughter freedom from the High Table. Winston is granted re-instatement, the Continental to be rebuilt, and John his Freedom. John reflects over his marriage and life, before collapsing on the steps of the church, seemingly dead."

This edit is crucial, as he only appears to have died, but his wounds didn't appear fatal. Appearing to have faken his death, now that he is truly free. Shaunm785 (talk) 07:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Have just seen the movie.
 * Can confirm duel scenario exactly as edit. Include
 * "...Caine is wounded in the lower abdomen. With ten paces closer still, and the third shot, Caine shoots John in the lower abdomen..."
 * And
 * "De Gramont asks stops Caine, and asks for the pistol and the executing bullet, assuming he has won the duel, to personally execute John for the final round, but John,..." 2604:CA00:178:1B72:0:0:661:C73D (talk) 03:22, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I have tried to process the changes listed above. Please let me know via this talk page if anything needs changing. Urbanracer34 (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)