Talk:John of the Cross

copyediti
I have corrected a great deal of the article's grammar and formatting, but would like more help with regards to ensuring a coherent organisation with respect to other Wikipedia articles on saints. Crculver 03:37, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * I'd do what I can but... the version I wrote was the best I could manage. What do you mean by such organisation? And finally, you did a great correction, btw! Pfortuny 09:07, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I removed this last line: "No question about it, Saint John of the Cross is one of those geniuses that will always be remembered. His poetry is so serene and beautiful.  A true mystical experience." I felt it detracted from both the tone and content of the article. The reality of whether or not St. John is a "genius" or "will always be remembered" is not directly relevant to the facts of the article. Ultimately the sentence represented an opinion concerning the value of St. John and his poetry, something which seemed to already be properly framed with the context of the article as it related to his influence on the church and on literary figures. The same could be said of placing his poetry on par with a "mystical experience," an interesting thought but not directly relevant to the matter at hand. The article as a whole though, is excellent, kudos to the original authors. -WTG (still need to make a user account :-/ )

Proposal for new WikiProject
I have made a proposal at WikiProject Council for a new WikiProject  - WikiProject Mysticism. I wonder whether any one readers of this article would be interested in joining this WikiProject? Vorbee (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Age at time of death
The box in the top-right hand corner of this article says that at his death, John of the Cross was forty-six. The article says he was born in 1542 and died in December 1591 - would that have made his age at the time of his death forty-nine? Vorbee (talk) 17:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Discalced Carmelite
St. John of the Cross was a Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D.). He was apart of the reform with St. Teresa of Avila who started the Discalced Carmelites. He was not an O.Carm but a Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D) 70.162.61.242 (talk) 01:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, please stop reverting/changing this tag. He was a reformer of O. Carm. but was the founder and therefore part of the Discalced Carmelites (OCD) this is obvious and universally recognized in every history of the order, biography, and by both of the orders themselves. I am unsure why this keeps being changed. The page for Teresa of Ávila has it correct as OCD, and they were both on the same parallel journey, with her being older in fact, yet there is no confusion in that case. St. John of the Cross is the co-founder and the male component in establishing monasteries for friars of the Discalced Carmelite (O.C.D.) order, and this is what he is known for and his life's work, this is what should be included on the page. 98.97.176.235 (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)