Talk:John of the Cross/Archive 1

Pardon the glib factor. I gather most people visiting this article are "serious". I know, I get it....
However, if laughter isn't God's ultimate gift... to paraphrase Gene Rodenberry about laughter, "for that instant, you humans are immortal". I guess the same could be said of orgasms : ) Different beast, similar vibe. Just gotta love Dopamine, Serotonin and GABA : ) ...Anyway, among the funniest beings ever is Doug Adams! It dissapointed me not to find any reference in the article links to Doug's "The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul". And to forestall, I've had to undergo several operations to reconstuct my thorax from reading Doug, but the one I'm presently bitching about I haven't been able to get yet...

Lighten up a bit guys! If bleating laugher isn't the best proof that there is a God, I declare myself even more clueless and agnostic than I thought I was... - Manuel from México, D.F.: valinorrim-wiki@yahoo.com.mxManuelcuribe (talk) circa 20:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Roddenberry, Adams, God.... all dead. -- Love & kisses, Nietzsche.
 * - XXXOOO 2 U 2 Neesh : ) —Manuel : ) And yep, I get the joke : þ Called "life" last I checked? And Now For Something Completly Blasphemous: I'm going to quote Joss Whedon at you. "The hardest thing in this world is to live in it." That one Ecce Homo enough for ya? I mean the question with love. For real. The chair recognises the honored Gentleman/Lady from Angstland. Kindred, methinks.  Manuelcuribe (talk) 07:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Typos
His writings were first published inJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the CrossJohn of the Cross 1618, for example, plus several disjointed sentences. I'm not at all knowledgeable of the subject, so won't attempt to edit.

What brought me here was Analog Science Fiction and Fact March 2012 Novelette "Ernesto" by Alec Nevala-Lee, which is preceded by his Biolog by Richard A.Lovett. The story begins in Madrid a year after beginning of the war between the Loyalists and Falangists. It quickly moves to the Church of St. John of the Cross at a monastery in Segovia, the scene of several "miraculous" cures of terminal cancer, with a postscript in Havana a year after the war ends. Ernesto laughed. "Not much of a miracle. He arranged to remove the hinges from the door of his cell. Now that's the kind of saint I can admire." He looked out at the trees. "If John deserves sainthood, it's because he understood the dark night of the soul. You can look for God all your life and find nothing in the end. And for a true believer, that nothingness is enough. Nada y nada y nada." --Pawyilee (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Conflicting Sources
The section on his early life states he was of converso background but the source (from Roth) only mentions it in passing and does not provide any evidence for it. Meanwhile, the Catholic biographies linked at the bottom of the page, give a detailed account of his family background and do not mention them being conversos. IMO, saying he is a converso just because of the Roth source is undue weight and if kept it should be with the added stipulation that "at least one author alleges" he was from a converso family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:69C1:2A00:91BF:EA5E:FDB0:985C (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Making a redirect
Elsewhere in Wikipedia I have typed in "Juan de la Crux" but got a red wikilink. Can some one please see to making this a redirect to this page? Many thanks, Vorbee (talk) 15:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)