Talk:Johnathan Wendel

Bad Citations
I removed citations 1,3, 12, and 13. 1 and 3 were not only off of Fatal1ty's own site - they 404'd on his site anyway, giving no information. Citations 12 and 13 were dead links.

The information the citations gave are still there, but I added citation needed flags. 76.189.41.28 (talk) 16:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Untitled comment
Dont mess with it hommie
 * Well, since you put up such a well-formed and documented argument, how can we think of it? Vo0 is himself notable, since he has his own entry, but their rivalry clearly is not.  Flakeloaf 01:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree, furthermore, there is no real rivalry anymore, since this only existed in the '05 Painkiller season. --Djith 19:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Redirects
A special name: Johnathan Wendel
 * _ _ There are 3 other reasonable spellings for his surname: Wendell, Wendle, and Wendal, with the 2-L one Google'g 4.5 times as high as his.
 * _ _ There are 3 other reasonable spellings for his given name: drop the first H; do that and also chg the last A to O; or keep the H but drop the O. The first Googles 70 times as high as his, and the second twice as high.
 * _ _ There's a single syllable version of his given name, with two spellings, John or Jon. John G's 400 times as high, and even Jon G's over 100 times as high.
 * _ _ That's 3x(4+2)= 24 reasonable names for him, and (on plausible assumptions about Google usually suggesting how likely people are to try the corresponding combinations of spellings), only 7 are less likely than his real name!
 * _ _ It speaks well for the colleagues who preceded me at adding rdrs that they hit the 2nd and 5th ranked; however they also rdr'd from the second lowest ranked one.
 * _ _ My own record was slightly better: my three rdr does turn out to be the 3rd-, 10th, and 13th-ranked possibilities. But i applied some bad reasoning and/or transcribed badly, on the one i created just before deciding more care, and then more formal analysis, were called for.
 * _ _ The RfD standards don't counsel limiting the number of rdrs, but even in an unusual case of a name as booby-trapped as this one is with opportunities to misspell (someone apparently tried the "low ranking" Jonathon Wendal and made it a rdr as a result), there's a limit to my interest in creating them. In alpha order, here are the ones i found or am creating; the ones i wouldn't now create if they weren't done already are italicized:
 * Wendal
 * John
 * Johnathon
 * Jon
 * Jonathan
 * Jonathon
 * Wendel
 * John
 * Jon
 * Jonathan
 * Jonathon
 * Wendell
 * John
 * Johnathan
 * Jon
 * Jonathan
 * Jonathon
 * Wendle
 * John
 * Jonathan

--Jerzy•t 08:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * But Jonathan has no relationship to the name John, does it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.17.119.172 (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you mean "acceptable" rather than "reasonable". Anonywiki (talk) 21:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Title
This article should really carry the title Fatal1ty, as stated in the lede - he is better known under that name. As per WP:NAME. Themindset 23:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree; is anyone opposed to moving this article to Fatal1ty? Per WP:NAME, as Themindset says, the article should be located at the most common name for the person, with redirects as appropriate.  This article's opening sentence states that he's better known by the name Fatal1ty.  Unless there's a good reason why not, I'd like to move it. TomTheHand 21:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Moved.--Chaser - T 23:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Worth mentioning?
I read somewhere that DirecTV hired Johnathan to commentate all the games for their new gaming league called "Championship Gaming Invitational", which is going to run on one of their channels. Is this worth mentioning? J0lt C0la 02:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between the Championship Gaming Invitational and the Championship Gaming Series. The latter, in which he will be commentating, hasn't been fully announced yet and is far from conventional and operational. I suggest we mention this once the Series have started and shown them self notably. -- DJiTH 02:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I honestly didn't know and just put it down the way the website put it. Thanks for the clarification! I'm glad my satellite probider is getting its own league, I hope it comes out soon. J0lt C0la 12:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it could be great, I just hoped that they would stick to conventional games and rulesets, rather than what they have in mind now. -- DJiTH 13:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Teams
Some have said (see edit summary) that his wins with teams don't really qualify as wins because they were online. Thoughts? Is it true? are they all online? Personally, my vote is to still call them wins if you're even going to mention them. Saying he competed, implies that he didn't win, and while there might have been tournaments that he didnt' win, I'm not aware of any, and lacking verifiablility, we shouldn't mislead the users into something along those lines. Online wins are still wins. Anyone else have any thoughts? McKay 03:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, there are two things to consider here. The first thing is that only professional offline tournaments (i.e. those with substantial prize money and/or renowned professionals participating) are notable enough to be mentioned or listed on WP. The second thing is that the cited source is the subject's own website and happens to be full of groundless claims, such as the 12 world championship titles Wendel claims to hold. The IONGamers tournament did have a $5.000,- prize purse, but took place online and was limited to north-American participants only. So I would say, not-notable. Also, consider the encyclopedic value. Is there any added value in adding this mention? Maybe for Wendel himself to get his reputation another boost, but other than that, not really. -- Laurens Hoek 16:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I've got a few pictures I took myself of Fatal1ty. I'll see if I can get some uploaded. McKay 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Myamoto article
Sure, a reference to that article can be made, but criticisms are OR unless properly cited. McKay 16:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

2007
say, he did nothing in 2007 ?

He was featured in a Ctrl-alt-del comic today is this notable at all? (124.180.6.121 (talk) 05:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC))
 * Nah, he trains and promotes his brand. And what's with the CAD comic? No, such info is not notable. 83.27.19.61 (talk) 08:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

This needs a re-word or removal
"He is known as being one of the first western professional gamers with a serious work ethic" That just sounds weird. 71.193.243.8 (talk) 03:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I fixed it but it sounds kind of silly now. You can't practice for "at least 2 to 6 hours" because the "at least" only indicates the 2 hours. Does that make sense? 71.193.243.8 (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

ASRock partnership
The article says nothing about his partnership with ASRock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.17.80 (talk) 02:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Philanthropist
How does fatal1ty classify as a philanthropist. Am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danber32 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Can no longer be considered ".. one of the best professional gamers in the world."
I removed " He is also considered one of the best professional gamers in the world.", the citation for this was questionable and nearly six years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.133.131 (talk) 07:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 July 2013
Want to be able to edit page frequently as possible. I'm Johnathan Wendel - Fatal1ty. I have a business team here in Las Vegas and Calabasas, CA that would use my login to edit the page as frequently as possible and make sure its up to date. I hope to hear back from you on my access to edit page as much as possible.

Thank you.

Fatal1tyTEAM (talk) 05:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You should not edit the page if you are affiliated with the subject. See the guidance at WP:COI.  RudolfRed (talk) 05:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Current title
Why not Jonathan Wendel or Jonathan "Fatal1ty" Wendel? Are these names impossible or discouraged by policies? --George Ho (talk) 04:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I expect because it goes against WP:COMMONNAME. I think he's best known as "Fatal1ty" rather than either of those two, which is why it's the article title. —  Richard  BB  11:14, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean, by data? Seriously, I can pronounce "fatality"; in the next five years, that would require "fatality" to remember the name. *sigh* If only real names are preferred over created Internet names... --George Ho (talk) 20:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

ESWC 2004 (Painkiller) earned Fatal1ty $1,000, not $10,000
Some sources: http://www.mousesports.com/en/article/2749/ http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/7782 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.116.35.182 (talk) 14:27, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Fatal1ty confirmed to win ~$450,000, not ~$500,000
Where is this $500,000 USD number coming from? I see no sources cited on this information. Fatal1ty won $454,919.23 From 36 Tournaments according to a source that adds up the prize money he won: http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1139-fatal1ty-johnathan-wendel/results_by_year — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samzeven22 (talk • contribs) 08:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed moved back to Johnathan Wendel
As set by precedence of other professional gamers, we list players by their common birth name, I propose this be moved back to Johnathan Wendel. Valoem  talk   contrib  01:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Per commonname I am going to move this back. Valoem   talk   contrib  14:55, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2017
The World Championships section should be replaced with a more detailed list of achievements. List below. Xearoz (talk) 21:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

==Notable Achievements==
 * ❌ Unsourced accomplishment sections are usually removed from BLP articles. Due to the standards of the Biographies of Living Persons policy, we need reliable sources to add such extensive sections to an article.  Thank you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2019
Johnathan Wendel is currently the co-founder and Chief Gaming Officer for venture backed Startup ReadyUp (www.readyup.com) 71.232.33.117 (talk) 00:52, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 02:21, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2021
https://web.archive.org/web/20061130004312/http://www.thecpl.com/league/?s=news&p=newsitem_1015 shows that he was cpl champion in the years 2000,2001,2002,2005 2A00:23C4:BC05:5C01:D11A:A369:873E:B333 (talk) 00:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done: see Reference 8. Its  Trei  01:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2023
“Playing Career” section, 3rd paragraph.

“However, after failing to qualify for the 2002 World Cyber Games, Wendel the transitioned to playing a different game, Unreal Tournament 2003, for the 2002 CPL Winter in Dallas.”

Change “the” to “then”. 174.134.66.30 (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ RudolfRed (talk) 00:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)