Talk:Johnny Damon

Johnny as a Royal
I understand a small budget, small market and only a couple winning seasons since 1992 has kept the K.C. Royals out the national spotlight. But this entry completely overlooks Damon's considerable body of work with during his five years with the Royals.

It would make sense that this portion of his career have a section devoted to it. This would be more productive than editing misleading statements about his days on the east coast.

Here is the quote in question. "It can be argued that 2004 was his most impressive year and that he showed improved patience at the plate."

As tempting as it is to create a "Myth of the Improved Johnny Damon" segment that lampoons all the supposed baseball fans who discovered Mr. Damon when he went to Boston- acknowledging his accomplishments in a Royals uniform is the correct approach.

Here is the minimum of empirical data that needs to be included to change this Wikipedia page from "Damon, the Red Sox and the Yankees" to one that covers Johnny Damon the baseball player.

In 1999 Damon hit .307 with the Royals in 145 with 50 strikeouts. He also had 14 home runs and 77 R.B.I.s. So much for developing patience at the plate in 2004- he struck out 71 times that year.

Statistically his "break out" year in 2004 was no better than his 2000 campaign with the Royals. He started 159 games in 2000 versus 150 in 2004.

In 2000 he hit .327 with the Royals vs. .304 with Boston.

His slugging percentage was .495 in 2000 vs. .477 in 2004. His slugging percentage in 1999 was also .477.

He had 16 home runs and 88 RBIS in 2000- 20 and 94 in 2004 And he stole FORTY SIX bases in 2000- 25 more than he bagged in bean town. He scored 136 runs in 2000, 123 in 2004.

Obviously both years are impressive. That is the point. Ill-informed generalities about his emergence and development in Boston fly in the face of reality. Johnny Damon was born in Kansas and this only increased the expectations for the highly touted first round draft pick of the Royals. He worked his way into the majors through their system and was a solid contributer for four seasons. His 1999 & 2000 seasons are statistically comparable to his best seasons in Boston.

The majority of the statistics point to 2000 being his best year (home runs, RBIs and witnesses are on the positive ledger for 2004).

The consistency of his offensive production in 1998 and 1999 demonstrates that the improved version of Johnny Damon was rather similar to the consistent outfielder for the Royals in the late 20th century.

"His mother Yome is of Thai descent and his father Jimmy is white..." Hmmm, kind of insensitive. His mother is possibly “Asian” and his father is possibly “North American” or his mother is Oriental and his dad is Occidental, or Mongoloid and Caucasoid… but Thai and “white”? Ouch!


 * Are you seriously making a good-faith case for using words like "Oriental" and "Mongoloid" over the phrase "of Thai descent"? Ben-w 07:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The complaints about the "moneygrubbing agent" at the end of the article seem to be based on personal dislike. While the criticism may be true, an encyclopedia is not the place for those comments. &mdash;the preceding unsigned comment is by 24.71.223.140 (talk • contribs) 18:07, January 5, 2006

No references/citations
Anyone up to the task of fixing the dozens of "Citation Needed"s? Y2kcrazyjoker 19:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I did it a while ago. Michael Greiner 20:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The following sentence is found, verbatim, in both this article and in, "The Left-Hander's Calendar" 2007 edition on page 5-24-07: "Damon gained some notoriety for the prominent beard and long, uncut hairstyle he brought with him to spring training". Neither the calendar or this article is citing the other. This could be seen as plagiarism.
 * The calendar is plagiarizing the article, as that quote has been in the article since at least August 8th, 2006. Michael Greiner 20:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

25 mph runner?
Is my math bad or does the current world record for the 100 meters come to about 22.9 mph? Here's the math: 22.9 mph = (100 meters / 9.77 sec) x (1 mile / 1609 meters) x (3600 sec / 1 hour). Though the article doesn't explicitly say Johnny Damon can run as fast as 25 mph, leaving his quote without note leaves the wrong impression.

no one understands what hell that mean, or just me.--Kingforaday1620 21:29, 22 August 20

Hi Kingforaday. Your math is correct. FYI you can actually type: "100 meters per 9.77 seconds to mph" into google and it will do the conversion correctly. Also: the new record from the Bejing Olympics is 9.69 (equivalent to 23.1 mph). It might be appropriate to note in the article that his claim would be equivalent to running the 100m in 8.9 seconds, which would shatter Usain Bolt's existing record of 9.69. Tristanreid (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Usain Bolt ran faster than 25 MPH, but not over the entire 100 m. The max speed he ran was approximately 27 MPH.

So this guy runs 25 MPH based on a speed-regulation sign and cars that may or may not drive that speed with speedometers that usually indicate too high a speed...

25 MPH is pretty damn fast; I doubt he can really do that and certainly not over the entire 100 m. Let him time a real 100 m so we can compare apples to apples.

His kids go to my school, they are in 2nd Grade, and like this article says, they live in the "Orlando Area" Also, Joey Fatone's kids go to my school, there in Kindergarten, among some other celebrities. I wish i was in second grade. - The yip

Your putting miles into meters its total differnt system of measurment.

Can we delete that entire section? its bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewdavis21 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Clemens reference
Roger Clemens signed as a free agent with the Blue Jays, not the Yankees. He was traded to the Yankees for David Wells, Graeme Lloyd, and Homer Bush.

Personal Life
There are several references to Trump which seem completely superfluous given Damon's life as a pro athlete. Also, the term "Trump" instead of the respectful "President Trump" seems a bit "off" given the high level of respect accorded by Wikipedia to Democrat politicians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.27.38 (talk) 22:52, 15 February 2023 (UTC)


 * lol....you must be new here, LOL... 151.181.193.102 (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Money-throwing
There is a "citation needed" note after the point about fans throwing dollar bills at him upon his return to Fenway after signing with the Yanks. For what it's worth, I was at the game and can definitively verify that this hilarious incident did indeed occur. Not sure if that's enough of a citation, but there you go. Prezuiwf 20:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't use that. Original research is not allowed. --Michael Greiner 21:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Always seemed a little arbitrary to me though (because if for example I self-published some article that made reference to my experience, I could then cite it and it would be no more valid than it is now). But regardless, I thought it'd be useful to let everyone know, if just on the talk page, that the event in question truly happened. Prezuiwf 17:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not quite, because blogs aren't reliable sources. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Introduction stats are incorrect
The statistics in the introduction are said to be for the seasons 2000-2008. In fact, the statistics are for 2000-2004 (although, he only had 588 runs, not 589 as is written). With that in mind, having statistics for 2000-2004 seems random and outdated for his present day introduction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.143.204.110 (talk) 16:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Detroit Tigers
When was Damon a member of the Detroit Tigers? GoodDay (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * He has now agreed a deal with them, subject to a medical. Steveweiser (talk) 23:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Since the deal is subject to a medical, Detroit Tigers shouldn't be added until this has been confirmed. To dampen the enthusiasm of those who are keen to jump the gun, I've semi-protected this page for three days, or until the situation clarifies. Rodhull andemu  21:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Protection

Red Sox/Yankees rivalry note
I think it would be worthwhile to note that Johnny Damon is one of only two living players (along with Eric Hinske) to have won the World Series with both the Yankees and the Red Sox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.16.164 (talk) 02:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Back to Red Sox?
Whoever's editing this page, needs to realize that being claimed off of waivers, doesn't mean he now plays for Boston. READ THE WAIVER RULES! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.8.119.38 (talk) 20:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Notability of the waiver claim
First of all, to all the wanna-be wiki journalists, Damon is still (as of Monday night) a Tiger.

As to the waiver claim, is it in itself notable? Players get claimed all the time in August and we often don't know about it. This might be a bit of a special case given his ties to Boston. If he remains a Tiger, should it stay or should it be removed? --Muboshgu (talk) 01:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know...he's currently playing in a MLB game for the Detroit Tigers...lol. If nothing is worked out, I think it should be removed. — X96lee15 (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you still feel that way if he vetoed a trade back to Boston? That seems different to me than if the Tigers pulled him back, which makes this experience non-notable.  If he vetoes a trade, especially after his comments about how it might be best for the Tigers to add a prospect, then I think it might make the waiver claim notable. --Muboshgu (talk) 01:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup, I would agree with that also. — X96lee15 (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Whaddyaknow? The transaction all the anonymous IP's were sure of didn't happen. I removed the waiver claim from the article. I think that if he comes out and says something about hard feelings with Red Sox fans for the way they booed him, it's notable. However, he's saying it's about staying with his teammates. True or not, that's not notable for a non-trade. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jameswester, 24 August 2010
The line "His lead off home run in Game 4 made him the killer of the Curse of the Bambino, as that run won the World Series; the Red Sox beat the Cardinals 3–0." makes absolutely no sense. He was responsible for the first run, but two additional runs, for which he was not responsible, were scored. You can't say any one run in a win by three runs is more responsible than the other runs.

Jameswester (talk) 22:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ It was likely fancruft from a Red Sox fan. Good catch.  I've removed the sentence, as the prior sentence mentions he hit a home run in the sweep. --Muboshgu (talk) 23:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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