Talk:Johnny Gammage

Absense of article
Note: The absence of an article about Johnny Gammage was mentioned in this Metafilter entry at 2:43 PM PST on 12 October 2005. This article was created at 22:22 UTC, 12 October 2005.

Double Jeopardy
Suggestion: An explanation of why double jeopardy came into play with two of the officers would be nice. Normally a mistrial isn't considered a complete trial, and thus doesn't prevent future prosecution. At least that is my understanding.


 * Your understanding is correct, mentioning double jeopardy is patent nonsense here. Vpoko 01:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Major Addition/Revision
I just fleshed out the story, inspired toward completion after initially only intending to correct Gammage's place of death, which was not Brentwood. This is my first major addition to a Wikipedia entry, so anyone with more experience than I who wishes to clean up what I wrote to be more Wikipedia like, please, have at it.Dreamalynn 11:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)dreamalynn

One thing that is needed is reference to the autopsy reports and the opinion of the forensic pathologist who said that Gammage died from positional asphyxia. Also, there should be mention of the dialogue that went back and forth between the officers and Gammage, who begged for his life. There are good articles and long features from the Pittsburgh newspapers that provide this information. I would need to do the research to know which to use and cite, but these points are essential to understanding the community outrage when several of the officers were acquitted. There was, as I recall, also a coroner's inquest. Readers of this article might be interested that this case is often cited in law enforcement training about avoiding positional asphyxia when subduing subjects. Burghwriter (talk) 20:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Jonny or Johnny?
Newspapers always spelled his name with five letters, not six.SgtVelocicaptor 05:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears that there was a man named Johnny E. Gammage in New York State. He was not killed.  Jonny Lee Gammage was killed.  He had lived in Florida and in New York, too.  It looks like a "double re-direct" may be appropriate (perhaps).  Start all over with a new title such as "Jonny L. Gammage" to clarify the name of the American motorist.EmperorVelocicaptor 22:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oy Vey! Erase the word "black" while you're at it.  Oy Vey!RabbiVelocicaptor15 22:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I also heard that the vehicle was a Bentley, not a Jaguar. EmperorVelocicaptor 21:16, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * According to Pittsburgh Post-Gazette stories such as, the correct name is Jonny E. Gammage. Please fix the title of this article, which currently, erroneously says "Johnny"!--Paul Heckbert (talk) 03:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

nigger-haters with cell phones
The thing that killed Jonny Gammage is the vigilantes equipped with "cell phones" who drive along the highway and call policemen whenever they see a "nigger" driving an automobile. EmperorVelocicaptor 09:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments on above
The above represents a completely biased and not completely accurate account.

It also does not include comments on the extent of the injuries caused to the officers, including broken bones and at least one case of a finger/thumb being bitten through to the bone by Mr. Gammage.

Trials were held and the police officers were found innocent by juries. All due process was followed. In addition, the Police Department paid Gammage's family millions of dolalrs in a civil settlement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.204.5.50 (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

POV
The narrative for the incident is both unsourced and one-sided. Can this be fixed? --206.155.50.124 (talk) 09:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC) →The narrative is admittedly lifted as much as possible without being outright plagiarism from the sources listed as external links. At the time that I edited the entry, fleshing it out from the three or four sentence stub, I wasn't sure how to denote sources with links within the narrative. In fact, I'm still entirely sure. I would surely welcome someone making additions and edits to flesh this out even further, unfortunately, there isn't a lot of source material to work from.Dreamalynn (talk) 07:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)